Many Christians Lack Responsibility

The thing is Phat, God is more powerful than Satan, so ultimately God is responsible for ALL the evil that happens on Earth.The first chapter of the Book of Job informs us that Satan cannot do evil to Job:Job 1:12The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."
Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD. If God was truly good then everyone would have this protection. So your lovely God is actually the most evil, putrid, and disgusting entity ever created. Yahweh makes Hannibal Lector look like Santa Claus.

You talk about logic then you post this:

Well, that would depend on how you present the argument that God is Good! Of course it does, but it does depend on how the argument is presented. If Yahweh is the ultimate benevolent being, then with His omnipotence and omniscience, he is no better then Descartes Evil Genius/Demon. No one said they were stupid, they were very inventive, very good story-tellers. None of the Bible is a problem for ME, it is a problem for YOU though. Nothing at all in the Bible affects my life, I can see the Bible for what it is, it is people, such as yourself, that try to make the collection of texts into something it isn’t. Do you think the ancient Jews had a problem with plagiarising stories form other cultures? Do you think that the Jews did not invent philosophical tales to explain why there’s evil and suffering in the world. Most of all, do you really think Jewish people take the Bible literally? But you cannot take this claim unattached to the rest of the Bible. The story of the Fall is riddled with errors, which, amongst other things, is a wee clue that it is a fairytale. Try reading the Fall of Man through an objective lens for once and you will see how evil God is. Everything passes away if we wait long enough. But the Bible says that God is evil, so I am not contradicting anything.Isaiah 45:5 I form the light, and create darkness;
I make peace, and create evil
I am the Lord,
Who has made all these things. No doubt we will now see the famous cop out: ‘Ah well, when Isaiah says ‘evil’ he does not really mean ‘evil’ he means something else. Why is God not responsible for looking after His children? You do realise that you are simply making God appear more evil than ever? God creates His children, and because God knows everything He knows what will befall these children and He chooses to force the evil upon them, lovely God. No I’m not, you are ignoring what is written in the Bible. That’s why I judge God on the entire Bible, and the conclusion that Yahweh is an evil, disgusting entity is the ONLY logical conclusion one can come to. Well much of the ‘Book’ has been rewritten, that’s a fact. But I am not rewriting anything my conclusions are based on reading the whole collection of texts.Do you really think Satan came into existence on his own, or is an eternal being?Do you think God is capable of obliterating Satan out of existence?

The thing is Adam, and Eve for that matter, did NOT know it was evil to disobey God because they did NOT know what good and evil was until AFTER they ate the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil! I'd say it is pretty evil to curse someone and their descendants for doing something that they didn't know was wrong. This is quite a glaring error in the Fall myth. That's assuming that we have free will, we could simply be playing out a part that God has already written for us, with our 'choices' already determined. I suppose that to appreciate 'good' we need to know what 'evil' is. But why not just create a world where there is no 'evil', or if there has to be evil let it be kept away from His children like the hedge He put around Job, what loving parent would not want this type of world for their children?

It doesn't have to come to that though.Remember, you are the one that chooses to follow this bloodthirsty tyrant, no one forces you to do this. All the thousands of millions of Xians follow this ancient monster because they choose to, why anyone would choose this ogre is beyond me, Yahweh certainly isn't a god worthy of worship.

The vast majority were, but then not all of them were Christians. Seriously, over the years only 2 of my students were unpleasant, one was a Christian and one a Muslim, they were both extremists. The trainee ministers were all very pleasant, I got on very well with them. I don't think any of them knew I am an atheist, at least it never came up in any conversations, but when you are doing a job you have to teach from an unbiased stance. Then we could discuss the need for a tartan monkey on Mars directing human affairs, or ye olde sphagetti monster scenario.But I agree, if everyone was honest we would all be agnostic, but the thing about being agnostic regarding God is that we would have to be agnostic regarding every possible mythological entity, that's if we apply Kant's categorical imperative, and I see no reason why we shouldn't.

Hi Slevesque, I'm not a fan of Dawkins, and, as I am sure many theists here can testify to, I haved stated these opinions long before the God Delusion came along. TBH I haven't even read the book, but I get the impression that Dawkins has essentially grouped together a collection of atheist arguments and wove his eloquent style through them. I certainly would place my knowledge of the Bible way above Dawkins'.

Mike, there's no ad hominem is Stile's post.However, this "You've got a really really bad problem now. Do you know what it is? The problem is that phat knows me very well. He knows my history, and knows that your post is not true. So now he should know that no truth can come from such people."That's an ad hominem.

You should apply logic to that statement Mike, and see how illogical it is!You do know that people who think they are possessed by demons will be cured by an exorcism because they believe that exorcism is the only cure?I didn't know you had a spell of depression Mike, I am sorry to hear that, but since you have came out of this then this God myth has done its job.Come back to reality now Mike, you have been cured.