Many Christians Lack Responsibility

...because they insist that morals must come from their deity.They absolve themselves of association of any guilt or crime due to their acting within the limits that their interpretive books tells them is okay - murder, mass murder, genocide, incest, stoning, blood sacrifice, beating, rape.I'd rather sit with the atheists, their morals don't depend on an invisible sky-daddy with a dodgy temper, and they have no angry face in the sky to kowtow to.They know that killing, rape, murder and theft (and so on) are wrong, because it harms somebody else. They know it's wrong because they have reasoned that it must be wrong.The religious person has no morals of his or her own - they are all imposed, and sometimes the deity demands that a believer do things no sane, rational person would do, and yet the believer will without question.many religious people say "hah, humanist morals - you can never get to an ought from an is!" but...if you say your god is the creator of the universe, therefore you ought to obey him, aren't you doing the same thing?

Hi,thanks for the welcome.I've not really read the bible ("oh, another one," you say, rolling your eyes, "ignorant of what the bible really means...") but I'm not really a hardcore militant atheist - I just have a head on my shoulders and do presume to put a hand up and say "but hang on...that sounds like magic, and I don't believe in fairy stories.".I'd be very, very happy if biblical literalists true believers would leave science and the scientific method and it's theories alone, so that those who wish to learn and further the real revealed truth of the universe (the theory of universal gravitation, the theory of evolution, thermodynamics, and so on) could get on with it, leaving the true believers to wallow in their ignorance without it's benefits until they recanted.

yes, i remember. I saw it on the telly.Now, I don't believe everything I see on the telly (chriss angel can't fly, geller can't bend spoons with his mind, and so on) but...I'm inclined to believe this as there have been many independant research papers into exactly his effect.The scariest was a joint pair, where one person gave orders and the other carried them out - the result was that the person giving orders didn't feel any responsibility as he was just sitting there, and the person following the orders didn't feel any responsibility as he was just following orders...quite the evil circle./Greyseal