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Topic: God: Knowable or not Knowable?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 13 of 216 (435848)
11-23-2007 11:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Stile
11-22-2007 3:44 PM
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Re: From Jar Through Jon?
I wish Jon had also linked to the next post in that thread because I think it addresses part of what you address.
Message 104
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 21 of 216 (436373)
11-25-2007 12:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Am5n
11-25-2007 12:19 PM
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Can you address the topic and stop spouting nonsense?
The topic, in case you failed to notice is "God: Knowable or not Knowable?" And stop posting absolute nonsense like "By the way nator, don't you even dare try to compare The Catholic religion to Christianity. " It only makes you look ignorant and bigoted. Try to address the topic and avoid posting stuff that simply makes you look even more ignorant.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 56 of 216 (437242)
11-29-2007 11:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 55 by Modulous
11-29-2007 2:12 AM
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On true 'in someone's life'
Well I know that it is Absolutely True that Cherry Garcia is the Absolutely Best Ice Cream Made on those occasions when I Absolutely happen to have some in the house and am not Absolutely in the mood for something different.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 58 of 216 (437252)
11-29-2007 12:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 57 by Modulous
11-29-2007 12:05 PM
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Re: On true 'in someone's life'
The question is, how is god more objective than taste?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 60 of 216 (437258)
11-29-2007 12:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by Modulous
11-29-2007 12:16 PM
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Re: On true 'in someone's life'
Cherry Garcia exists external to me. How is someone's taste for a given god any different than someone's taste for a given ice cream?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 64 of 216 (437308)
11-29-2007 4:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Modulous
11-29-2007 4:14 PM
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Re: On true 'in someone's life'
But Cherry Garcia can be tested outside my personal experience.
Likewise with god, the god I describe exists objectively - whether you like it or not is a matter of subjective taste. How does it exist objectively?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 67 of 216 (437324)
11-29-2007 5:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Modulous
11-29-2007 5:24 PM
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Re: On true 'in someone's life'
How does this god exist objectively? In much the same way Cherry Garcia does. It is an entity that exists independently of those that enjoy its taste. But Cherry Garcia can be independently verified to exist. Using methods such as we might use to check on the objective existence of Cherry Garcia, how to we check the objective existence of your god? And I think there actually is a point to this exercise.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 71 of 216 (437355)
11-29-2007 7:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 62 by Stile
11-29-2007 2:08 PM
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A few questions.
The relationship certainly can exist. It can be the most fulfilling relationship any human is capable of. I can play Frisbee with my dogs, play fetch, have them warn me of visitors or sneaky cats. I can snuggle with a girlfriend, share jokes, have her get me a soda, share a milkshake with me. I can walk with friends, hitch a ride when my car is broken, share a fries and cuppa. Which of those is possible in the relationship you describe as being "the most fulfilling relationship any human is capable of?"
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 75 of 216 (437472)
11-30-2007 9:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 73 by Stile
11-30-2007 8:58 AM
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Re: A few questions.
What I'm saying is that given an existing infinite-God, who does want a relationship... all three of those things would be possible. But even if that happened, it would be only within the constraints of the example. There would be no way to distinguish that it is God that you are dealing with and not just a very good doggie or friend moment.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 77 of 216 (437474)
11-30-2007 9:22 AM
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Reply to: Message 74 by Phat
11-30-2007 9:19 AM
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Your god is evil Phat
Phat writes: God finds you....you don't find Him! So once again Phat trots out the evil little god Phat created.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 81 of 216 (437484)
11-30-2007 10:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 79 by Phat
11-30-2007 10:00 AM
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Re: Your god is evil Phat
Have you even read Philippians 1? Can you show me who the "he who began a good work in you " refers to? If you actually read Philippians Paul is speaking of very human evangelists. Philippians 1:
15It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Sure sounds like Paul is talking of the average Televangelist when he says "17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains."
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 82 of 216 (437485)
11-30-2007 10:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 80 by Phat
11-30-2007 10:09 AM
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Re: A few questions.
Why is it so weird to believe that GOD, creator of a universe with 100 billion galaxies and one hundred billion stars per galaxy has the unique ability to listen to the cries of a piss ant on a dirt speck? You continue to move goalposts. The question is whether or not YOU can know God, not whether or not God can be aware of or know you.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 84 of 216 (437492)
11-30-2007 10:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 83 by Phat
11-30-2007 10:38 AM
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Re: A few questions.
Well, perhaps you are right when you say that the source (GOD) is irrelevant due to being unknowable and that the content of what I DO with my life is more important than boasting about the SOURCE that I worship. HUH? What does that have to do with my post?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 86 of 216 (437499)
11-30-2007 10:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 85 by Phat
11-30-2007 10:53 AM
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Re: A few questions.
It has more to do with the title of the thread. GOD: Knowable or not Knowable.Whenever we discuss these topics, you can't always expect everyone to follow your train of thought all the time. I am simply bringing up one of our earlier discussions of SOURCE versus CONTENT in light of whether or not GOD is knowable or unknowable and whether it matters. Huh? You even quoted my post yet you say you are not replying to what you quoted? I am even more confused now. What does this latest post from you have to do with whether or not God is knowable?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 88 of 216 (437505)
11-30-2007 11:12 AM
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Reply to: Message 87 by Phat
11-30-2007 11:05 AM
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Re: A few questions.
Let me ask you a question first: What is our source? IS it GOD or is it our own logic, reason, and reality? HUH? Without using logic, reason and reality, just how do you determine anything?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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