My "Beef" With Atheists

Any piece of paper written by anyone that reads: "I love my mom", or "I love (fill in the blank)", establishes love as a fact since love is a subjective human experience. Love is measured by the individual experiencing the feelings that we call love. Love, as I said above, is a subjective human experience. Subjective experiences will rarely have evidence other than the fact that people have subjective experiences.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

You seem to have missed my point. Any paper that states "I love (fill in the blank)" is explaining love. Love as in 'the subjective interpretation of a human emotion'.There is a love-o-meter but you must first be able to have subjective experiences to have one. IOW, the love-o-meter is internal. Within humans. Location: Brain. There's no pretend science here. We have observable evidence of certain areas in the brain becoming active when these emotions are experienced.The universe has none of this. How would you be able to prove that the universe feels love? Or how would it be possible for the universe to experience love?

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Im trying to understand what this means, maybe a bit more clarity on what you're saying is required?

I asked for clarity and you answer with something much more confussing to understand than your first reply... How do you know the spiritual exists outside of subjective experiences? This is nothing more than your opinion and so I will ignore it.Can you just explain, which is what I've been trying to understand, how does a universe experience love?And how would you be able to prove it?Thats all. You don't have to go into a speech about how you understand the world better than anyone else involved in science because you are spiritual or tell me why you believe scientist are evil...lets skip all that insanity and lets try to get a straight answer to those 2 questions I proposed...please

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Ok then explain...explain how you can judge that the 'universe, not people, expresses love.Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

Yea, I got all this from your other posts. Now, can you please deal with how the universe experiences love. Don't give me a humans perspective, just tell me what mechanism is used by the univese to experience love.I get everything you're saying, believe it or not I agree with much of what you post about 'human subjective emotions'. I am also well educated on the subject so I can see your POV, to a certain extent. However, I feel you may have stepped out of the convetional understanding of human emotions, (such as love, hate, anger etc, etc.), when you begin to apply these emotions to a non-conscious entity such as a universe, or a tooth brush, or a brainless mouse. Here is where you must clarify what it is you mean, but just for this thread I would like a better understanding of "a universe which experinces love".

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Are these lyrics to a song or something? Don't worry about responding, I think I'll gracefully bow out of the debate.

Why do you presume to be an authority on this subject? Your entire posts are subjective view points that lack solid evidence.I for one was trying to understand what you meant since I know the subject well and have seen and heard many different philosophical arguments about emotions and have always enjoyed them. I just can't figure out wtf you're talking about half the time. Sorry if this offends, I mean no disrespect...well maybe a little. Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Symasu, lets have a little fun with your perspective of love.Explain love to us?In detail, omiting nothing. Give me your discription.A few key things though.

• 1. Do not use anything as a reference i.e. "I love my mom", "I love fruit", "I love a warm summer breeze" etc, etc.
• 2. You must describe it so that it makes sense i. e. "The feeling I get when I bit into a fresh Georga Peach"...And NOT "You know...that thing that happens...when you feel tingly inside...when you feel warm and stuff..."
• 3. You must explain how it is that you (A) know your feeling it, and (B) defined it as love.

*This should be simple, and a fun exercise that i've done in class.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky