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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Seems to me to be a lot of words to say not nearly that much.
How about posting your essential content as a new message in this topic? About 30 lines maximum. Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Report a problem etc. type topics:
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It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source
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Strong atheism, on the other hand, the general stance of there is no proof whatsoever, therefore “God doesn’t exist,” deserves the most rebuking. First of all, the proof thing can most certainly be debated (yes yes, not unassailable), but the circumstantial evidence of such a power (just how "loving" is not relevent) can certainly be depicted as nothing other than overwhelming. And yet, there are people, and even those I’ve come across, that state as a fact that God does not exist. And they will go as far as rebuking, and mocking you for thinking otherwise. “Why are you creating up a fairy tale?” “If it wasn’t for the indoctrination that society has instilled in humans, the concept of a higher intelligence outside our reality wouldn’t even exist, no more than giant flying potato that rules over us all. And THERE IS NO POTATO, this is absurd, and why should I be expected to have anything to do with this.” I’m sorry, but the big difference is (as touched on earlier), we are here, reality does exist, we reside in a reality that is totally and utterly un-explained. And If I were isolated from all civilization on an island, I would come to the same conclusion, that has nothing to do with flying potatoes but rather, “Hmm, it seems quite reasonable to suggest that some kind of higher power/intelligence had a hand in creating what I see around me. Perhaps there is some sense and purpose to all of this. Just perhaps, maybe [sarcasm].” Hardly un-reasonable. I think what it all boils down to, is true Atheism is most certainly a pathological disorder [perhaps related to narcissism] consisting of the following things somehow intertwined into a poisonous combination where the individuals who fall subject to it are blinded themselves. First of all, I think it’s a rebellion. So often, I think you will find that atheists at one point had some religious affiliation, found out how much bologna there was in all that, and completely went the other direction, and found the ultimate antithesis, atheism. But the rebellion goes further than this. It’s a rebellion against religious society as a whole, not only in the present, but going as far back as the birth of human existence. My impression is that the message 1 core is the above quoted. Even there there is a fair amount of redundant and/ or superfluous text. I would boil it down to "Any absolute belief is irrational." To which I would agree. But I think any hard atheist would admit to having a little "agnostic" in him or her. Thus there is no such thing as an absolute hard atheist. The concept behind this forum's proposed topic review procedures is that we wish to have a message 1 that is a clear and concise launching point for a debate. I'll promoted it as presented, but it will be with the administrative disclaimer that message 1 is considerably substandard. Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Report a problem etc. type topics:
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Forum Guidelines, [thread=-19,-112], [thread=-17,-45], [thread=-19,-337], [thread=-14,-1073] Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Thread moved here from the Proposed New Topics forum.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
As I understand it, the question is:
Do you believe this reality, this "something" you see around you, is at the very least "suggestive" of an intelligence that may be behind it? Rahvin gave you a detailed reply to that question in his message 36. While he did not explicitly say "no", he did very strongly imply that his answer was indeed "no". An implication that is most effectively "no". The poor quality of your message 1 has indeed turned out to be representative of your difficulties in communicating. As such, any complaints from you about others reading or writing abilities are rather laughable. So, let's work harder at doing a better quality debate. NO REPLIES TO THIS MODERATION MESSAGE. AS PER STANDARD FORUM POLICY, DOING SUCH MAY WELL GET YOU A SUSPENSION. Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Report a problem etc. type topics:
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Forum Guidelines, [thread=-19,-112], [thread=-17,-45], [thread=-19,-337], [thread=-14,-1073] Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
The launcher of this topic is permanently no longer available to post messages.
I'll leave it open and we shall see where it goes from here. Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Report a problem etc. type topics:
Report Technical Problems Here: No. 1 Report Discussion Problems Here: No. 1 Thread Reopen Requests Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines, [thread=-19,-112], [thread=-17,-45], [thread=-19,-337], [thread=-14,-1073] Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source |
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Message 68 strikes me as being the last clear (or not so clear) contact with the topic theme. Since then any considerations of atheism are uncertain.
Might members try to make the atheism connection a little more explicit? Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Report a problem etc. type topics:
Report Technical Problems Here: No. 1 Report Discussion Problems Here: No. 1 Thread Reopen Requests Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines, [thread=-19,-112], [thread=-17,-45], [thread=-19,-337], [thread=-14,-1073] Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source |
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