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Vacate
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Message 28 of 123 (482571)
09-17-2008 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Watson75
09-16-2008 11:57 PM


I guess you could call it the "magic particle."
and then
But then, you have "magic" involved
Good one. Do you think anyone will notice?

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Vacate
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Message 32 of 123 (482580)
09-17-2008 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Watson75
09-17-2008 1:27 AM


What's that supposed to mean?
I am sorry, I was under the assumption that you had created that fallacy on purpose. Being such a silly thing to say I assumed it to be an attempt at humor.
The Skeptics Guide To The Universe writes:
Arguing against a position which you create specifically to be easy to argue against, rather than the position actually held by those who oppose your point of view.
The fallacy is so easy to see that one must assume you are aware of it. Your following post to subbie however is much the same:
You know how finely tuned the Universe is to work in harmony with itself. You know how finely tuned life is to exist. You know how perfectly placed our planet is so that life can even survive.
falls apart because:
The Skeptics Guide To The Universe writes:
Such arguments (also called teleological) are based on a reversal of cause and effect, because they argue that something is caused by the ultimate effect that it has, or purpose that is serves. For example: God must exist, because otherwise life would have no meaning.
1 - Straw Man
2 - Argument from final Consequences
Edited by Vacate, : Name that fallacy

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Vacate
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Message 38 of 123 (482589)
09-17-2008 2:04 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Watson75
09-17-2008 1:51 AM


How can you even dare categorize what I said with this preposterous statement?
This just gets better and better. I didn't "categorize" what you said... It was a bloody quote. Notice the quote box, or the part where it said "for example"? I could have changed the example to something you would have liked better had I been a mind reader and a person who changes others quotes...
Its still an Argument from final Consequence regardless of your likes or dislikes of the example used in the quote. Did you catch that or just focus on the example you didnt like?
Why? Because meaning makes sense. Atleast to me...
Its just a pointless opinion that does nothing to support your argument.
I mean, wouldn't you think it would make more sense that our world/universe had meaning, than if it didn't?
It would also make more sense if Ebola was just a type of sandwich spread. Life just aint fair.

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Vacate
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Message 59 of 123 (482631)
09-17-2008 6:12 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by Watson75
09-17-2008 2:27 AM


No beef
Yeah, you're example was just about as bad as it gets
You still don't get that it wasn't my example? It was a quote, to provide a definition, that quote happened to have an example... therefore not mine. I hope I have just about spelled that out enough for you. Perhaps in four days you can figure out that the example has not a damn thing to do with the fallacy that you employed.
Once you ignore it long enough you can use it again in different words. It seems to work for some people.
Incorrect. The world would perhaps be a better place if this was the case. But ebola as a sandwich spread has nothing to do with "making sense."
Hardly. You said "I mean, wouldn't you think it would make more sense that our world/universe had meaning, than if it didn't? and I am hard pressed to find meaning in Ebola, black holes, rust, earthquakes, or any other detrimental aspect of our meaningful universe. You talk about 'sense' and 'meaning' as if they have some point. You will have to do better than sense and meaning if you want to show some fault in atheism; unless you can explain away all the athiests who do find sense and meaning in this universe. (If perhaps just differently than you do)
In fact, a virus as a sandwich spread makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Neither does Dracunculiasis but at least my idea doesn't involve agony and screaming while your digested. I sleep much better knowing you have no evidence for a designer who goes about making nightmareish creatures like that.
I applaud your ability to keep the discussion going without once admitting that your argument was a fallacy. Its a skill that always amazes me.
Watson75 in message 54 writes:
I welcome my martyrdom. Just remember, that's what always starts the movements.
Prunes also work. If your looking to change minds however I would start with not asking Adminnemooseus to ban your ass.

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