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Look Schraf. You needn't apprise me as to what a doctorate is.
Could have fooled me.
It sure seemed like you hadn't a clue.
Of course, not much has changed in my assesment, but I'm sure you don't care much about that.
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You totally missed the implication of my point/post that exclusivistic educational institutions who narrowmindedly indoctrinate their young impressionable student's minds with information limited to the narrow minded approach those institutions use may leave the graduate less informed as to knowledge and truth than less accredited schools of thought cover in their curriculum.
Which mode of thought is more narrow-minded, Buz; the fundamentalist Christian Biblical literalist mode of thought which will not ever change and claims to have the ultimate truth about everything forever, or the mainstream accredited educational institution (particularly in science) in which students are encouraged to think critically about what they learn, in-depth analysis and new ideas are lauded, and the overturning of dominant paradigms in the light of new evidence will make you famous?
It seems to me that you have things backwards; you and those like you are terribly narrow minded because you refuse to examine evidence, think critically, or in general learn anything new at all. To you, the Bible is right, end of story, don't need to think or learn anything more. Case, and minds, firmly closed.
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The same is true with home schools in some cases as compared with public schools.
Agreed. I think that most public schools avoid the teaching of Evolution because of the protestations of willfully-ignorant religious people imposing their religious views on how science is taught in classrooms, so Biology at basic levels would probably be better taught at home.
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.........And chemistry, and science, (including alternative scientific views)
What "alternative" scientific views? Lamarkism? Panspermia?
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and biology, and history (often with broader views such as much founder material which has been removed in recent decades from public school textbooks).
Do you mean the untrue mythologies and patriotic propaganda that has been removed?
Anyway, no kidding, home schoolers get taught all the same stuff, and maybe more, as kids who attend regular school. Not news to me.
However, I have known two kinds of home-schooled people as adults. I have known those who's parents were highly educated and specially trained to be educators themselves (schoolteachers or college professors), and the ones who's parents were religious fundamentalists. The holes in the education of the second group were pretty astonishing, while those in the first group were very well-rounded. Now, this is just my anectodal experience, I am aware.
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Besides, the home schooled child receives a great deal more individual attention, allowing for questions on a very wide variety of subjects to be researched and answered by the parent teacher.
Again, not news to me.
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Likely the same often holds true with small higer educational institutions.
Agreed. I went to a very small college and got a great deal of individual attention and was able to participate in class a lot.
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That it was not accredited does not mean Hovind did not study there.
There have been many attempts by various people to get a copy of Hovind's Doctoral dissertation. He is very shady on the subject.
See, at a real university, any doctoral dissertation which has been approoved is available for anyone to view or get a copy of if requested. That's because real doctoral dissertations, by definition, must contain original theories or data, and can be used as cites in other papers.
Please see the following site for more information about Hovind's lame excuse for a dissertation:
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He explains that it was more than a home when he attended.
Come on, Buz. If it smells like a rat, looks like a rat, and acts like a rat, don't you think it's reasonable to think it's a rat?
Or, do people who think the way you like get special dispensations from the Christian teachings regarding honesty and integrity?
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But, like homeschools and unlike accredited institutions they are not subjected to the narrow mindset of the accredited institutions in their curriculum. Thus my point that they may end up with a broader, higher degree range of knowledge.
Yes, they might get a broader range of knowledge.
However, that would only be at institutions which actually teach anything. Patriot University is widely recognized to be a
diploma mill.
Buz, have you ever wondered why we have any standards for anything? It's so people can't walk around calling themselves medical doctors just because they feel like it. People lives are in their hands, so it makes sense to create some baseline standards of knowledge and expertise to judge all those who wish to practice medicine against.
THAT's what accredtiting a University is all about; so being a doctor (or earning a Doctorate) means something.
There's a reason so many people from all over the world flock to many American universities; our standards for educational quality in our institutions of higher learning are some of the most stringent in the world.
People like you think that means nothing, all the while pecking away at the keyboard of your home computer that was developed by hundreds of people who graduated from the evil, narrow-minded universities you love to spit on.
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Likely I couldn't do worse than with conventional medicine practitioners who've been mass produced/educated in drug cartel driven money hungry knife/needle/pill medical institutions which are programming into the practitioners of modern medicine the agenda of expensive treatment of symptoms rather than treating/solving causes.
OK.
Ever heard of anyone getting small pox these days?
No?
Why not, do you think?
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Conventional medical practioners bury their mistakes and those terminal patients who do survive their sophisticated quakery must often turn to wholistic naturalpathic alternatives for any hope of recovery or survival.
Buz, answer the question.
Would you want your personal physician to have gotten his/her degrees from Patriot University, a known diploma mill?
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So to your last question, Schraf, the last person I'd want me or my children as health advisor/practitioner is a PHD doc.
Wow, you value ignorance over knowledge, voodoo over expertise, and wishfull thinking over tried and true.
Why do you hate the smart and educated so much, Buz?
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We have raised our children healthfully and successfully and kept ourselves well with our knowledge of alternative medicine, i.e herbal, supplemental, and natural remedies for sickness.
They probably didn't get anything major, then, right?
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Injury is quite another matter. The docs are good for putting broken parts back together, but after that, get me home ASAP before they pump me full of harmful pills, serums and other stuff.
Yes, insulin injections to avoid dying of a diabetic coma are truly harmful. The asthma medication that keeps my sister alive is killing her. The antihistamines and adrenaline injection that they gave me when I was 6 and had a violent allergic reaction to a bee sting was harmful, too. The open heart surgery that my niece underwent when she was 2 to fix a life-threatening birth defect in her aorta so that now she lives a totally normal life of a 12 year old was horribly misguided.
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