Raising Standards

What you are writing makes no more sense to me than a late '60s dope dream.Please take the first, most basic, premise -- just one -- and present it, along with the supporting evidence.Maybe we can approach the subject easier that way.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

I don't want to be rude, but I kind of am thinking about hurrying you along to some really good practices, rather than examination of just the theory.If we are dealing with kingdoms that progress by our (e.human) commands, we need to get people commanding those kingdoms. That is exactly what the "I Am" Temple provides us with. Let me give you a couple of examples, keeping in mind that the material is QUITE varied and extensive:"BELOVED MIGHTY I AM PRESENCE," BELOVED SAINT GERMAIN, AND ALL THE ASCENDED HOST!
FLASH (3) [you say it 3 times] AND HOLD! (3) Your Sacred Fire Eternal Control of everything in the physical world, everything in the Powers of Nature and Forces of the Elements, and everything about us wherever we move!
"ALMIGHTY I AM"! (3)"BELOVED MIGHTY I AM PRESENCE," AND ALL THE ASCENDED HOST!
WE CALL FORTH the Great Central Sun Presence of Golden and Pink Flame around our physical bodies! The Violet Flame outside of that, and the Wall of Blue-Lightning Flame!
WE DEMAND this go forth into every city wherever we abide, and call forth enough Fiery Christ Blue-Lightning Purity to spread over every destructive thing, and STOP! (3) its action forever! We ask this to be swept throughout the Nation! And
FLASH (3) SHOCK (3) into annihilation! everything that denies or defies the Firey Christ Love of the Great Central Sun - which the "Beloved Mighty I AM Presence" is!
"ALMIGHTY I AM"! (3)The weekend prior to the 9/11 catastrophe in N.Y., I and 3-4 other children were practicing decrees (with an art project) where we put violet flames around buildings to protect them (the violet flame is a representation of purifying God's love). I picked up a travel guide for Boston as it was on sale at the bookstore. We put some of the buildings in Boston (cutouts) on our pictures and colored violet flames around them in flowing love.When 9/11 happened I thought of that and how we needed so many other stronger voices to help us. I had to spring into action and at least try to reach out with these practices. Edited by brendatucker, : every to everything

Religion means "to tie" as some have told us based on the root "lig" or perhaps to re-tie would be more accurate.When we use religion, we are very likely tying our human selves to the girasas kingdom, a higher kingdom of nature involved in our evolution. When we join together in one with them, we assume a learning state whereby we receive many of their greater notions and practices. They advance us beyond our own abilities and with a promise to separate from us, make us work harder in securing our futures with what they offer temporarily. However it is also difficult to conceive that after we learn so much about higher things, we have to re-descend through a lower kingdom and offer the same experience to them.

You lost me with girasas kingdom. Never heard of it.

How do we test this hypothesis of yours?
Scientific theories make predictions which can be tested against nature.
Scientific theories, including evolution, have been verified by such processes.What observable predictions are made as a logical consequence of your theory?
How can we verify or refute your hypothesis?

Hi, Brenda. Here we go: this is where we get to the science part. If I'm interpreting you correctly in this thread, you are wanting classes and science in general to consider your "theory" in their studies. To do that, you need to take a scientific approach to explain the physical mechanics of the process.You say evolution happens, but with different rules. If you could explain these rules, we could determine a few things about your theory:(1) Whether or not it's actually something different from evolution as described by modern sciences.
(2) What sort of phenomena we would expect to see in nature becaue of these rules.I am always open to listening to somebody's new idea about how natural processes work. I think it's important to do so. However, I feel very strongly that any idea that wants time in a science classroom should be analyzed, scrutinized and tested by the most objective, honest and rigorous testing available before it is permitted.Keep in mind that there is a great deal of evidence supporting the theory of evolution as it is now presented, and, to my knowledge, none that contradicts it. However, it is still a growing science, and there may be something more to contribute. I personally feel that the fundamental backdrop of the theory is completely sound, and that only the details remain to be filled in.Now, how does the Blavatsky-Tucker model of evolution/involution differ from evolution by natural selection? Once I have learned what the differences are, it is my intention to suggest a way to test the two models (Blavatsky-Tucker and Darwin-Wallace) against one another.Edited by Bluejay, : Typo.

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Darwin loves you.

Girasas is a word used first by me in this way. Girasas was designed to help institute a concept that is largely left untouched by scholars: a new kingdom, a higher kingdom was heralded by Jesus Christ. Now, perhaps we can use this word when we refer to this kingdom, however no dictionary that I know is currently taking it up, although I have tried.If we need new words in order to communicate, we'll just have to make them up as we go.

Hi brendatucker, I've been watching this thread avidly, but I'm still not sure why you are here. That's not a complaint, I have my doubts about why I'm here myself, it's just an observation. But you don't seem to be raising a lot of consciousness or anything so I thought I would poke you a little and see if I can liven things up a bit. Helena Petrovna Blavatsky was a Russian medium performing in America in the 1870s during one of our periodic spiritualist crazes. At this time the English-speaking world was being heavily cross-pollinated by Eastern thought again, this time in the process of assimilating what might have been beginning to be thought of as Hinduism and Buddhism, though they did not yet make a real strong distinction between the two. India and China were full of missionaries, and Tibet was still pretty much mythical.Helena Blavatsky - WikipediaShe managed to arrange interviews with a number of people who knew or claimed to know people who claimed to know people who might have seen one or another of the legendary Dhyana texts, mostly the Kalachakra Tantra. These are extremely long encyclopedic accounts of the beings met with in extended trance, the Tibetan Book of the Dead or Bardo Thodol ("Liberation Through Hearing...") is a popular summary of some of the highlights of some of these texts. They aren't really about the physical world, though they do use cosmogonies as part of their modeling technique.The ancestral beings we might meet in trance aren't actual ancestors, they are what we may have received in ourselves from our previous "lives" or instances of being. A reasonably popular model in hippy biology is to say that back behind our ape-brain we have whatever, a horse-brain and a crocodile-brain and a fish-brain. perhaps in future evolution we have a space-brain and a computer-brain and a fuck-all-species brain and a quantum-brain. But you know, these are just figures of speech, do the work and you will find that you are dealing with a highly technical language that doesn't mean anything like what it sounds like. It just suggests the experience that you are likely to have if you burn a particular quantity of brain cells in a particular manner.Anyway what she did was, she fed off these interviews and various visions she was having of the Akashic Record, and composed em into poetry in English. The Secret Doctrine is her huge two-volume suck-this-frazer commentary, on her stanzas, of derivative poetry. She interprets the structure of sitting zen into what they still called "natural history" at this point, with heavy plagiarism of the English Bible and other bastions of occult thought.Every occultist, psychic, and sci-fi writer since her time has simply clipped out a few choice bits and built whatever they wanted out of it. But none of them were so silly as to believe they were literally true. They are the ever-flowing font of transformative imagination. They couldn't just mean what they say, that's not enough, any lame court finding could do that. They mean whatever you need them to mean. Why shouldn't I believe that you visualized violet flames around buildings and the people getting rich doing business with the people who are exploiting Tibet died in horrific fire in buildings? You visualized it, it happened. Why did you do that? violet is pretty hot isn't it, that's hotter than blue. Don't you think that's sad as hell for those world traders and their families? Don't send us anymore of your killer love vibes, thanks, or we will nuke a country near you without so much resources."Blavatsky lied, people died."Edited by Iblis, : pe ole

It was a hypothesis to me (although brilliantly conceived by people with talents that I did not have) when I began this investigation back in 1974.I was told to test what I was reading and not to take it all on faith. If you are told to do the same, you may decide that you need to associate with others who are also testing. You may find that the group which you are involved with has those people who are 100% certain and those who are 0% certain as well as all degrees between. The operations required are rather simple, although because they involve strict discipline, many people may elect not to pursue proof.The "teachers" or "manuals" whichever you prefer, give many different hints and instructions, but primarily, it is the 10 commandments, although with interpretations. THE YOGA SUTRAS present the 10 commandments in a slightly different form: 5 rules and 5 means. It might be helpful to compare all religions in the way they approach directing students to get a better idea of what is expected. Theosophy is trying to simplify this for eager students by publishing material that is directed towards not one religion, but all of them, plus additional more modern material.We are asked to abstain from meat, alcohol, smoking, and sex. By doing purifications like these and additional ones that you encounter in your spiritual reading, you open yourself up to these energies that wish to descend, but can't always find a proper home (body, host) for themselves.The impression I now have is that we have to freely elect to cooperate with the girasas kingdom before they can begin to alter us for their use.Proof from the past, working with changes in animals and people, will not be very applicable because we are not in the same state as we were before. However, this new kingdom is in a similar state to what we may have been in (although from a higher vantage point) and the investigator or researcher has to attempt to discern exactly how the process would differ when done by a girasas as compared to the process done by a human. The lower kingdom in each case is more the recipient of the work that is done rather than the instigator. Edited by brendatucker, : No reason given.Edited by brendatucker, : brilliant to brilliantly

Well, that all fine and good.What the heck does it mean and is there any evidence for its existence? It seems like you are making up both the concept and the word and, to me at least, neither has any basis in reality.Start with the basics and see if you can explain it, and support it with some kind of evidence.

I report to you that I followed instructions in issuing protection decrees for all that is "constructive" and "good" in our society or buildings, and you or some other individual I also do not know, decides I was malicious and attempted to cause harm to others."Anything goes" once unknown students get hold of the material. Who is to stop anyone from interpreting another's acts regardless of what we say?This is Free For All, and so is life, in a sense. We ask in our decrees for Ascended Masters to stop evil, to stop destruction, to stop violence, but the argument can be made that those things are necessary and right. The decrees often reference "annihilation of evil" themselves and to us this requires a value judgement. But whose value judgement is being made? When we ask someone else to annihilate evil, is it whatever is evil to them or whatever is evil to us and what would the difference be?I suggest that when we request an end to evil in our world, that it will have to be their call as to what goes first, second, and so forth.

Have you read Jesus Christ's words on the kingdom of heaven? That is likely to be our best source of information on the subject because in His life He showed us what he could do as a 6th Race Humane.

What do we have from a girasas kingdom?Mainly we have a few words and a few books. It would seem to me that in order to continue on this tangent, we look for more of the same. Look for more of the books and words to be written by those people who are engulfed in this process and read, discern, distinguish, and hopefully attempt to apply some of it.Even if you personally do not retrieve the books (from a higher kingdom and by default extremely difficult to understand by humans - perhaps not even by the writers themselves), you are free to look at them and try to get something out of them or pass on something that you retrieved from the study that no one else seems to have gathered.Let's wait for more books and attempt to do better with those than we have with the ones received by people to date.

You visualized fire around buildings, buildings burned. Don't try to tell me thought you were supposed to be shielding them. You didn't visualize shields, did you? You visualized flames. You and countless other impressionable children, with a range of psychic potential, were coordinated to visualize flames around tall buildings. By eastern magic cult leaders who hate our freedoms. True or False?

Hi, Brenda. Wow. I don't think I deserved that, even in a Free-for-All . Perhaps you replied to the wrong message? I suspect this was meant for Iblis, because it seems to tie in the topic of his message quite nicely.At any rate, I'm only really interested in the scientific aspects of this discussion. I don't want you to feel that your idea is being discriminated against by scientists, because science is always open to new ideas, as long as these ideas aren't stupid, petty, useless, unsubstantiated or otherwise a waste of valuable scientific time, resources and funding. Thus, I will entertain your idea for at least a little while, until its scientific value can be ascertained. In the event that no scientific value is found, I will reject your claim that it should be taught in classrooms, but I will still be willing to defend it as a legitimate minority religion.Thus, I would like to know the Blavatsky-Tucker take on the process of evolution, so that I (and other scientists on this forum) can determine whether there is ample reason to investigate this new concept. I am somewhat biased against it at this time because of the wealth of evidence supporting the current model and the paucity of evidence contradicting it, but there is the off chance that you've got something worth exploring.

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Darwin loves you.