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Trixie
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Message 31 of 304 (267835)
12-11-2005 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by joshua221
12-11-2005 1:44 PM


Re: Charlie! Or was that intended?
I had to read this more than once to be sure you, as a Christian, actually said the following;
I know there are many benefits to science, and math, but as hypocritical as it may seem, none of it will matter someday, don't you agree?
And theirein lies the problem. We are not living our lives in your "some day", we're living them NOW. We're not living our lives in Heaven with God, we're living them on this planet with disease and death and suffering.
When you stand infront of God and He asks you what you have done to deserve entry to Heaven and eternal life how do you thinnk he will respond to your answer
"I did nothing because someday it wouldn't matter anymore."
When you reach that sort of mindset, you can happily stand by and watch children die terrible deaths because "someday it won't matter anymore."
You can stand over your own child and observe their suffering, without researching possible treatments and choosing the best doctors because "someday it won't matter anymore."
And with this mindset you can ignore all the evidence because "someday it won't matter anymore."
As a subtle hint, does this ring any bells?
33 He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left. 34 Then the King will say to those on the right, `Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home. 36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.'
37 "Then these righteous ones will reply, `Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing? 39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?' 40 And the King will tell them, `I assure you, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!'
41 "Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, `Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his demons! 42 For I was hungry, and you didn't feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn't give me anything to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you didn't invite me into your home. I was naked, and you gave me no clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn't visit me.'
44 "Then they will reply, `Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?' 45 And he will answer, `I assure you, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.' 46 And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life."
Matthew 25:33-46 (NLT)
Can I point out that by your system, feeding, clothing, tending the sick and and helping are physical things in a physical world which somday won't matter. Don't you think it is your holy duty to tell Jesus that He got it wrong and should never have said what He did because someday it won't matter, according to you. According to Jesus, it will matter very much and will determine whether you enter Heaven or are cast out.
Use the mind God gave you to think, learn and understand. Use the heart God gave you to care for His children beause someday it will matter very much, maybe not to the children you did or didn't help, but to your eternal soul.
I think the sentiment you expressed in your message demonstrates beautifully why YECs have such a difficult time with evolution. They focus in on such a narrow interpretation that they can't see the wood for the trees and end up making statements or holding beliefs which are totally contradictory to what we actually observe in this world, the natural world. You've gone a step further. You seem to realise that what you see conflicts with what you want to believe so you've made up a reason why you can ignore what you see. The problem is that, in your desperation, you have managed to contradict Jesus Himself in the process.
Look at the world around you. It's physical, you're physical, you have a spiritual component, but the interaction of the spiritual and the physical is what Jesus' teaching was all about. You've thrown out the physical and with that you've thrown out the entire physical life of Jesus.
I've tried to keep this vaguely on topic, but my apologies to Mods etc.

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Trixie
Member (Idle past 3736 days)
Posts: 1011
From: Edinburgh
Joined: 01-03-2004


Message 36 of 304 (267840)
12-11-2005 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by joshua221
12-11-2005 5:16 PM


Re: Charlie! Or was that intended?
How do you build a relationship with God if you don't give two hoots about His world and his children? What sort of relationship will you have when you say things which are diametrically opposed to the passage I quoted, the words of Jesus himself? You don't get it, do you? Jesus was telling us that it does matter what we do now, it matters very much. But, hey, if you think that Jesus got it wrong, that's your problem. It may not matter now, but it will matter someday!
You have to hold on to this idea that anything to do with the physical world doesn't matter because otherwise you would have to look at the evidence of biology, chemistry, physics and you would see it for what it is. Instead, you claim it doesn't matter, so you don't have to consider it at all. That's called putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "La la la".
It also demonstrates that, even with a basic science education, certain people can filter out facts and observations that don't gel with their theology and can utterly convince themselves that the facts are irrelevant, or worse, that they don't exist.

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Trixie
Member (Idle past 3736 days)
Posts: 1011
From: Edinburgh
Joined: 01-03-2004


Message 164 of 304 (268797)
12-13-2005 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by RobertFitz
12-13-2005 12:17 PM


Re: Does education matter?
From Wikipedia, first Google hit, so you should find it quite easily
Papist is a derisive term meaning "Roman Catholic". It was used during the English Reformation to indicate one who believed in Papal supremacy over the Anglican Church. Over time, as the political nature of the struggle between Protestants and Catholics became heated, it became a pejorative for Roman Catholics. The word ultimately derives from Latin papa, meaning "Pope". "Popish" is an adjective used much in the same vein.
It may interest you to note that it is a term in current derogatory usage by a certain bigot in Northern Ireland politics, the Rev Ian Paisley.

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