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I have yet to see a YEC stating clearly stating what it would take to convince him/her of the reality of evolution. I tried to get some clear answers from Norwegian christian fundamentalists but the bottom line was that they could never be persuaded because that would mean abandoning their faith. Is this the belief of creationists on this forum or can you state some instances which may help change your minds?Wish I could ask Hovind that question!The Arachnophile

ehem* which isn't going to happen... I would equally give thousands if someone could 'prove' it as 'fact'.But what would you accept as proof?? I a very curious about that.And how come christian YECs have no problem believing ancient scriptures telling about miracles and supernatural beings when not a shred of evidence supports their existence while they dismiss a scientific theory which has been supported again and again and has been generally accepted in the scientific world?? Something is wrong here, I think.I am convinced that the majority of "anti-evolutionists" take that position on the grounds of faith and not science!The Arachnophile

--Someone build me a time machine, or atleast give me a multi-billion year recorded video-tape of the ToE. That would be 'proof'.So, basically you cannot be persuaded!?--By my knowledge, the ToE is relatively well founded. Its just a scientific theory and explination for compiled evidences on Earth history (biologically, geologically, or astronomically). I also get rather annoyed when people explaim it to be more than that or say that people are 'stupid' if they do not believe it. Statements of that likeness readilly admit ignorance. Its like a creationist asking 'If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes today!'. Just thought I would give my 2 cents with that comment.The ToE is more than just a theory, something you creationists have a hard time accepting. ToE is a theory as well as a fact. This dualism is very important. Let me illustrate it with an example:For instance, there is a great similarity between the ToE and the theory of gravitation. Based on observed phenomena we have deduced their existence and characteristics. Even if we do not fully comprehend all mechanisms involved both phenomena (biological evolution and gravity) are facts of life and we have theories to explain and understand them. In fact, I believe that it is time we officially upgraded ToE to a natural law like gravitation.One main argument voiced by creationists is that gravitational effects can be observed in real-time while evolution has never been observed, just inferred. This is wrong. Evolution can be observed by studying the fossil record, changes in populations over time, in the lab and so on.You, TrueCreation, obviously belong to the surprisingly large group of people who has to see to believe. Does this mean that you will never believe something you have not witnessed in first-person? If so, I guess Hitler and Elvis may still be alive to you!?Or if you are willing to believe historical fact you have not witnessed yourself, how far back in time are you willing to go. I do not mean to ridicule you, but your point of view is a major obstacle to many in accepting evolution so it would be interesting to learn more of your position.--I must be a new breed in the evolution of YEC's.If you are not religious, what are your reasons for believing in creation?The Arachnophile

--Unless you can do any of the items I listed Please see post #2 by compmage in this link, do you see what is wrong with your question yet?Well, I can agree that nothing can be absolutely proven in this sense, but if gravity cannot be proven I hope you would still acknowledge that there is a prosess working there? I take "proven" to mean that the theory holds up to scientific srcutiny, whcih is does.--I see what you mean, however, you did not see my point. I was correct say that the ToE is only theory, though this will depend on your defintion of the Theory of Evolution. In a nutshell define it as the theory in which todays phylogenetic observations and the effects of population genetics is applied in a uniformitarian assumption that everything has a common ancestor. This is only theory that everything has a common ancestor. However, evolution is fact when placed uppon what happens today, you no longer have a uniformitarian assumption but an observed direct evidence whose only obsticle is by discrediting human intelligence in observation and understanding. What is happening today is a different concept and question to what has happend throughout all earth history, no matter the support.I.m not sure if I understand you correctly, but evolution put simply is change in allelic frequensies over time. You cannot deny that, or...?"If you are not religious, what are your reasons for believing in creation?"
--By my current knowledge and how through my scientific studies there is so much which can be explained by catastrophic events, while others with my current knowledge cannot yet. Though in this I find when I see what I know, that I find that where the problem is that I also see, always tends to be where I do not have much knowledge in the area. Through my time in my research, I have better refined my understanding of science and it is looking quite well, but again, for myself it has cracks which need to be dealt with.Do you mean to say that catastrophism is a better explanation for many observed phenomena than geology, evolution and so on?The Arachnophile