Every evolutionist has a chance to win $250,000

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Originally posted by Christian1:
Well if the panel would consist of people who believe that evolution is fact and not belief you said it your self, I don't say evolution isn't true, I say it isn't proven, I don't say creation is true, I say I believe it.

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LUD: Conversly,if the pannel consists only of his creationists buddies,whatever evidence thats gets in front of them will be dismissed as a matter of course.

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Evolution is a belief with no scientific evidence, only more theories. If you can convince Dr. Hovind that evolution is fact/science, he will pay you $250,000. He's not saying come to me with a theory, everything you have is theory, he even calls creation a theory, just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean you're right. I don't believe in evolution, that doesn't mean that I am right. I believe in "The Theory of Creation" and I say to you PROVE IT WRONG! Stop replying with more lies and bashes on Dr. Hovind. If you want to bash him, he will pay you to do it.

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LUD:"Dr" Hovind(phd in a barn,btw) does not believe that creation is a theory...he's convinced that its a fact and he says so in his seminar at least 12 times. What he calls a theory is his particular snowball from heaven shindig to explain how the flood suposadly came about. The conclusion i initially drew on creationists by and large was largely based on him,which was not very flattering,lemme tell you that. Fortunately,i've spoken to creationists who actually take a scientific approach as opposed to a dogmatic one like he does. It is sad though for creationists that with people like Hovind as "friends",they dont need any "ennemies" to do them in.

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'...this is my open challenge to debate any one (or group of people)** who believe in evolution. I will even pay them $100 if they will debate.....' - Dr. Kent Hovind
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=25

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LUD:hehehe...yeah right...I would pay 100$ to get the chance to debate him in person and i've told him so in an E-mail and then a writen letter. And i have yet to get a reply,7 months later...

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Typical silly reasons why evolutionists refuse to debate creationists:

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1. There is no debate; evolution is a fact- all scientists accept this.

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LUD:Wrong...LIFE is a fact...evolution is just a theory as to how Life came to look like it dos today...and most scientists know THAT.

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2. Creation science is not science.

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LUD:Wrong...Creation Science that does not rely on the Bible as evidence IS science...its not very good science but its science nevertheless.

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3. We don’t want to give a platform to creationists. Creation belongs in the church and evolution in science class.

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LUD:Creationists are not wanting for platforms in the US and in the '20,they were doing their damndest to make sure that EVOLUTIONISTS didn't get a platform...at least in schools.

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4. The average audience doesn’t understand the complexities of evolution so it is hard for an evolutionist to explain in the short time allotted. This makes it appear the creationists have won. [Hovind translation of this response-Evolutionists are smart and everyone who does not believe in evolution is too dumb to realize this.]

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LUD:wrong...the principle of evolution is quite simple...the mechanics ARE complex,like most science and does require some time and a basic degree of scientific literacy to be understood. Your argument is akin to saying that if i cant say,make you an expert in the field of quantum mechanics in a 30 minute session,that either means that you're stupid or that my "science" is just a fraud. Dont make it sound like evolutionists are trying to hide from scrutiny. They are very vocal and eager to talk about all their discoveries...after a while,its more likely that YOU'll be the one fleeing them because you just cant get them to shut up about it...

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5. Hovind is a professional debater who gets paid to do this. I’m just a teacher/researcher. I have never had a debate class in my life. I don’t get paid to debate, I will pay them!

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LUD:Most serious scientists in the field of evolution dont debate Hovind not because they're afraid of him but because they're afraid it will be a complete waste of time. Hovind is stubornly illeterate when it comes to evolution science and constantly misrepresent the positions of his opponents in debates. Scientists dont try to get into debates on evolution with maytag repair men and pro wrestlers either for the exact same reason...complete waste of time.

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6. Dr. Walter Brown has a list of other common excuses (and a well reasoned response to each) listed at www.creationscience.com/ p. 319

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LUD:when i get back,i'll have to examine them as well...my guess is that they'll be equally ludicrous allegations

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[This message has been edited by LudvanB, 02-12-2002]

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"The problem is that $250k is not enough to pay the court fees it would take to get Mr. Hovind to pay up *after* you prove evolution is a fact."
--The point being simply, Evolution by common descent is not fact, it can only be theory, it 'can only be' theory.
--I also have always wondered, why if there is such valuable evidence for common descent and even increases in information, why has none ever attempted to present it to him in one of his debates? And don't say something out of ignorance such as 'it would be to complicated for his pewny mind'.

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Actually,i know of at least 3 people who answered his 30 questions about evolution theory in an effort to get him to pay up...all of them were never given any reply by him...trust me,he made this offer with the firm intention of never paying a single penny of this 250000$ which he probably doesn't have anyway.

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Originally posted by TrueCreation:
"In the same way as gravity can only be a theory...."
--Not exactly, because Evolution by common descent, has not been observed, gravity can be observed to its fullest at any time, without waiting thousands of years to see changes. Evolution does have evidence, but most of its most valuable evidence are indirect evidences.

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Actually,the RESULTS of gravity can be observed but not gravity itself. same thing with evolution...the result can be observed but not the evolution itself,since ot occurs over such a long period of time.

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Originally posted by Christian1:
If it is such a waste of time to debate with Dr. Hovind, why do you want to debate with him? Why do so many other people debate with him? You say one thing and contradict your self in your defending statements.

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Well I'm not a professional working in evolution science...nor am i a scientists...nor is he. I would debate him for the same reason i debate other creationists here...for pure enjoyement.