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redstang281
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Message 1 of 211 (1847)
01-10-2002 4:11 PM


The website describes how you can do it.
All you have to do is prove evolution is fact.
http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=250k

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TrueCreation
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Message 2 of 211 (1852)
01-10-2002 5:43 PM


*ehem* which isn't going to happen... I would equally give thousands if someone could 'prove' it as 'fact'.
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Minnemooseus
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Message 3 of 211 (1865)
01-10-2002 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by TrueCreation
01-10-2002 5:43 PM


Stephan Jay Gould's article on evolution as a fact and evolution as a theory:
http://www.freethought-web.org/ctrl/gould_fact-and-theory.html
While absolute proof of the fact of evolution is not achievable, the evidence is very strong in favor of it.
By a vast consensus, scientists accept this vast evidence as being valid - they accept evolution as being a fact. If these scientists are the jury, the Hovland challenge has been met (proven to beyond a reasonable doubt).
Hovland, however, lets some small minority opinion cause a hung jury. Thus, to him, there is no definitive judgment, and the fact of evolution is not proven.
Moose
Added by edit (2/4/06) - The above link is no longer good. The same material is available at many sites, including:
Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
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Message 4 of 211 (1872)
01-10-2002 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Minnemooseus
01-10-2002 8:09 PM


Ah, Kent Hovind (aka "Dr. Dino").
One of "scientific" Creationism's greatest embarrasments.
Why, you ask?
Because he is a wacko nutcase, that's why!
Here is a very informative and funny website devoted to Dr. Dino. Be extra sure to check out the photograph of the impressive facade of the building that houses "Patriot University", which is where the dear doctor ordered-um, er, I mean EARNED after long and careful study, his PhD!
Also click on the link above the picture to read the story of someone who actually attempted to claim the unclaimable prize that the dear doctor puts forth.
Not surprisingly, the dear doctor has set up his own rules, rather than emperical, scientific rules, on what he will accept as "evidence for evolution", so the prize is unwinnable.
A quote from one of the people who attempted to win the prize:
quote:
However, on closer examination, and when the initiator of the offer is pressed for specificity, it transpires that he is demanding (in a most circuitous manner, as will be shown below) evidence for nebulous claims that lie beyond the orb of pure empiricism. More sinister is the revelation that he who has chosen the aforesaid committee will look at the evidence first and decide what submissions go to the committee at all, and to what members of the committee at that. The result is that he intends to act as a judge in his own case, a case that he has made impossible to prove, and the 'jury' for which may not exist, at least not one that conforms to the image presented.
Enjoy!
http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9917/hovind/wild_hovind.html

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Minnemooseus
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Message 5 of 211 (1873)
01-10-2002 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Minnemooseus
01-10-2002 8:09 PM


Possible difinitive proof of the fact of evolution?
How about if the buildings of all anti-evolutionists are simultaneously struck by lightning (just to get their atention), and a loud, booming voice is heard world wide, saying "Evolution is a fact, you dunderheads!'.
Moose
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Message 6 of 211 (1874)
01-10-2002 11:24 PM


Hent Hovind's credentials, from a list of Creationists with questionable credentials:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html
"Kent Hovind is a young-earth creationist who gives frequent public lectures on evolution and creationism. He is well-known for repeating the claim that the remains of a basking shark found by Japanese fishermen off the coast of New Zealand were actually those of a recently deceased plesiosaur.
Hovind claims to possess a masters degree and a doctorate in education from Patriot University in Colorado. According to Hovind, his 250-page dissertation was on the topic of the dangers of teaching evolution in the public schools. Formerly affiliated with Hilltop Baptist Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, Patriot University is accredited only by the American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions, an accreditation mill that provides accreditation for a $100 charge. Patriot University has moved to Alamosa, Colorado and continues to offer correspondence courses for $15 to $32 per credit. The school's catalog contains course descriptions but no listing of the school's
faculty or their credentials. Name It and Frame It lists Patriot University as a degree mill [3]."

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Minnemooseus
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Message 7 of 211 (1875)
01-10-2002 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Minnemooseus
01-10-2002 11:24 PM


quote:
Originally posted by minnemooseus:
Possible difinitive proof of the fact of evolution?
How about if the buildings of all anti-evolutionists are simultaneously struck by lightning (just to get their atention), and a loud, booming voice is heard world wide, saying "Evolution is a fact, you dunderheads!'.
Moose

Although that could be conceivable as a goverment effort to cover up the weakness of the theory of evolution.
Still Moose
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Minnemooseus
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Message 8 of 211 (1877)
01-10-2002 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Minnemooseus
01-10-2002 11:36 PM


quote:
Originally posted by minnemooseus:
Although that could be conceivable as a goverment effort to cover up the weakness of the theory of evolution.
Still Moose

But an effort of that magnitude and complexity would seem to require inteligent design. That would seem to disqualify the government as having pulled it off. Guess I'd have to default back to believing that it was indeed God's voice.
Moose Moose Moose Moose Moose Moose
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Minnemooseus
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Message 9 of 211 (1879)
01-10-2002 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Minnemooseus
01-10-2002 11:47 PM


Perhaps the important question is, how many of this silly posts do I need to do, to get elevated from junior member to regular member.
Which reminds me, does anyone out there remember the Bill Cosby routine, of Noah talking to God?
You've probably guessed it, Moose
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Message 10 of 211 (1881)
01-11-2002 4:19 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Minnemooseus
01-10-2002 11:57 PM


quote:
Originally posted by minnemooseus:
Which reminds me, does anyone out there remember the Bill Cosby routine, of Noah talking to God?

God: "NOAH!"
Noah: "What?"
God: "I WANT YOU TO BUILD AN ARK."
Noah: "Riiiight. What's an ark.?"
A classic.
By the way, do you enjoy talking to yourself on BB's?
Not a moose.

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joz
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Message 11 of 211 (1882)
01-11-2002 7:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by redstang281
01-10-2002 4:11 PM


quote:
Originally posted by redstang281:
The website describes how you can do it.
All you have to do is prove evolution is fact.

Here are a few more accounts of Hovinds fallacious offer....
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind's_bogus_challenge.htm
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/kent_hovind's_phony_challenge.htm
http://www.nmsr.org/HOVIND.HTM#Proverbs

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redstang281
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Message 12 of 211 (1887)
01-11-2002 8:51 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by joz
01-11-2002 7:24 AM


Say what you want about Kent Hovind.
The fact is no one can collect the $250,000.
"I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief. "
Evolution is just a belief.

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joz
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Message 13 of 211 (1888)
01-11-2002 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by redstang281
01-11-2002 8:51 AM


quote:
Originally posted by redstang281:
Say what you want about Kent Hovind.
The fact is no one can collect the $250,000.
"I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief. "

Say what I want huh...
He reserves the right to choose the panel that judges the submissions...Presumably to screen out anyone who would actually know empirical evidence if it bit them in the arse...
He reserves the right to screen the evidence presented and only show the panel that evidence he chooses to...
I`m starting to wonder...
a)will the panel consist of a bunch of dyed in the wool creationists?
b)will he accept and pass along any evidence that counters his claims?
c)does the $250,000 even exist?
The offer is to be short spurious....

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edge
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Message 14 of 211 (1893)
01-11-2002 11:05 AM
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01-11-2002 8:51 AM


quote:
Originally posted by redstang281:
Say what you want about Kent Hovind.
The fact is no one can collect the $250,000.
"I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.* My $250,000 offer demonstrates that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief. "
Evolution is just a belief.
Well, Kent has never taken up my offer of $1 million to anyone who can prove creationism, either.... That's a fact!
Creationism is not even a belief. It is a wish.

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redstang281
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Message 15 of 211 (1901)
01-11-2002 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by joz
01-11-2002 9:24 AM


a)will the panel consist of a bunch of dyed in the wool creationists?
Who would you suggest the panel consist of?

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