Blood of Jesus

Monkeys have 24 chromosomes? That's funny!It sounds to me like he had the idea that parthogenesis involves just one set of chromosones. Would someone with a background in genetics offer an explanation here. I would have thought the females chromosomes absent a set from a sperm would duplicate themselves, but I've no idea if that is right.I also have to assume he found some white cells to examine. Red blood cells have no nucleus, and hence no chromosomes? Is that right. My biology is so hazy at this point.The more I hear about Wyatt the less credible he becomes. The guy was sure a prolific bs'er, I'm rather in awe of him.lfen

Well, humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes for a total of 46 individual chromosomes. 23 from the male and 23 from the female, sperm and egg. So I thought maybe Wyatt was saying in support of the blood coming from someone claimed to be an offspring by parthenogenesis that having never received chromosomes from a father's sperm they would have half the number of chromosomes as most people. Counting chromosomes and not pairs that would be 46, but where the number 24 came from I don't know, I guess a y chromosome was the miraculous contribution of the Holy Spirit since parthenogensis would I expect yield a female offspring. This whole thing is nutty!This whole theorizing is like, if we had bacon we could have bacon and eggs if we had eggs. I've no idea what Wyatt was talking about this was just a guess.lfenedited because I think I didn't answer the question you asked. I don't know how parthenogenesis works in species that actually reproduce that way. I was wondering if the female egg would have paired chromosomes or single examples. My biology is so old. It has to do with meiosis vs metosis but my head is starting to hurt dredging up this information.This message has been edited by lfen, 08-14-2004 08:03 PM

I'm still trying to get someone to tell me where that is. Maybe I should start a thread? Where is this place called heaven that people and things go to and that someone said Jesus left earth for?lfen

Okay, you are referring to bodies,no? But was/is Jesus a body? Like blood, and bones and nervous system? Jesus's body went up, that is away from the surface of the earth, but that leaves a lot of directions. Like to the Sun? or towards Polaris? Bodies go into the grave. I understand many believe that their bodies will be resurrected in some fashion, Paul indicates the resurrected bodies are not quite the same as the bodies of humans right now.When Shri Ramana Maharshi was dying his disciples were begging him not to leave them. He asked them, "Leave? Where could I go?" He was not talking of his body though. He was speaking of his realization of consciousness, the source that we are primordially, is eternal, that it is unborn. I know some christians experience Christ as present with them.lfen

That's your story and you are sticking to it! fair enough.lfen

I think Buz has a more specific idea that the Jews would do anything to prevent any body presenting evidence to support the Christian claim of Jesus as the Messiah.And I think he gets this from Wyatt himself who uses Jewish and Muslim opposition to Christianity as one excuse why he doesn't have evidence. It's a canny excuse on Wyatt's part as it plays into the prejudices of his audience and there is a long history of conflict that this plays into.lfen

Well, you have to consider Wyatt's market. His conspiracy theory sold well there. I mean in the end it didn't sell all that much but he only needed enough paying custormers to keep him in business and that he got.It's just I suppose that a few of his satisfied customers keep touting his malarky here and making a nuisance of it. But for me it illustrates that as much as I want humans to be rational they aren't. Rationality is something to be acquired in bits and peices, fits and starts. Oh, welllfen

Ramoss,I think this is one of the best summations of religion that I have read. Religion as you noted is about "impressive claims". The claims are so impressive, offer so much that believers just want to believe it and then the fact that they are impressive is proof they are true on the grounds of who could have made it up? who but Allah could have written the Koran? Who but God could have died for you to save you.The maze of rationalization and irrationality that constitutes religion is staggering but certainly more representative of human thinking than is science. At least this will be the case for the forseeable future.lfen

I was just taking an example from the trinitarians on this board. It doesn't change the general meaning of my comment if you substitute "God's son" for "God" though.lfen

Arach,There have been a few non trinitarian Christian to visit this board. One or two were JW but the others weren't. They point out that there is no real support for the Trinity doctrine in the Gospels. I'm assuming that Buz believes that Jehovah is God, and Jesus is the Lord his son but not identical with him, so not God. I find theology mostly a case of if believe we have bacon then if we believe we have eggs we believe we have bacon and eggs as we eat our oatmeal. I've given up bacon and eggs myself in favor of oatbran but you get my drift.lfen

I don't grasp the trinity concept. It seems like some sort of political compromise that came out of the early church, a kind of diplomatic language with vagueness of concept that would allow all the parties to think their view point was represented, but it leaves the impression that God has a case of split personality.lfen