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CK
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Message 1 of 105 (133813)
08-14-2004 11:06 AM


While researching the work of Ron Wyatt, I happened to come across a claim that he found the blood of Jesus - a conclusion that he came to after having it tested and finding out that it only had 24 chromosomes.
Now the Exodus topic became derailed because it became too diffused - in this thread, I think that the key issue is clearly the blood work.
Therefore, can anyone explain:
a) The significance of 24 chromosomes.
b) The lab that performed those tests and the procedures that performed.
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Message 2 of 105 (133820)
08-14-2004 12:21 PM


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coffee_addict
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Message 3 of 105 (133846)
08-14-2004 2:24 PM
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08-14-2004 11:06 AM


I don't know about (b), but the answer to (a) is Jesus must have been an ape or a monkey.

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Message 4 of 105 (133871)
08-14-2004 4:03 PM
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08-14-2004 2:24 PM


Monkeys have 24 chromosomes? That's funny!
It sounds to me like he had the idea that parthogenesis involves just one set of chromosones. Would someone with a background in genetics offer an explanation here. I would have thought the females chromosomes absent a set from a sperm would duplicate themselves, but I've no idea if that is right.
I also have to assume he found some white cells to examine. Red blood cells have no nucleus, and hence no chromosomes? Is that right. My biology is so hazy at this point.
The more I hear about Wyatt the less credible he becomes. The guy was sure a prolific bs'er, I'm rather in awe of him.
lfen

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Message 5 of 105 (133917)
08-14-2004 8:10 PM
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08-14-2004 4:03 PM


Hahaha. Ok, I was stretching it. 24 pairs of chromosomes = all primates except humans.
lfen writes:
I would have thought the females chromosomes absent a set from a sperm would duplicate themselves, but I've no idea if that is right.
Huh? Could you rephrase that?

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Message 6 of 105 (133935)
08-14-2004 8:57 PM
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08-14-2004 8:10 PM


Well, humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes for a total of 46 individual chromosomes. 23 from the male and 23 from the female, sperm and egg. So I thought maybe Wyatt was saying in support of the blood coming from someone claimed to be an offspring by parthenogenesis that having never received chromosomes from a father's sperm they would have half the number of chromosomes as most people. Counting chromosomes and not pairs that would be 46, but where the number 24 came from I don't know, I guess a y chromosome was the miraculous contribution of the Holy Spirit since parthenogensis would I expect yield a female offspring. This whole thing is nutty!
This whole theorizing is like, if we had bacon we could have bacon and eggs if we had eggs. I've no idea what Wyatt was talking about this was just a guess.
lfen
edited because I think I didn't answer the question you asked. I don't know how parthenogenesis works in species that actually reproduce that way. I was wondering if the female egg would have paired chromosomes or single examples. My biology is so old. It has to do with meiosis vs metosis but my head is starting to hurt dredging up this information.
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Message 7 of 105 (133939)
08-14-2004 9:13 PM
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08-14-2004 4:03 PM


Ifen,
If he had 24 chromosomes, & was from a female, then he should have been female too. xx=female. And we are assuming that every gene functioned perfectly.
You can be X & survive, or XX, but Y , or YY is a no-no, you must have one X chromosome. Either that, or Mary had a beard & balls you could crack bricks with.
Mark

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Message 8 of 105 (133949)
08-14-2004 10:17 PM
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08-14-2004 8:57 PM


It doesn't matter. Mary was supposedly a female human.
A person that only has 24 chromosomes (and I am agreeing with you that that's what Wyatt was thinking about when he fabricated the DNA sample... 23 chromosomes from Mary's egg and a Y chromosome from god) would be scientifically impossible.
By the way, anyone know what happenned to Wyatt's blood sample? If it was a human blood sample and it only had 24 chromosomes, I'm sure it would have been all over the news.

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Message 9 of 105 (133980)
08-15-2004 12:05 AM


Where the hell are all the pro wyatt people?

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Message 10 of 105 (133993)
08-15-2004 12:52 AM
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08-14-2004 11:06 AM


Well, DUH! You should know that answer! The "H" in the exclamation "Jesus H. Christ" stands for "Haploid!"
(but I don't get the 24 instead of 23 thing.......)

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Message 11 of 105 (133995)
08-15-2004 1:05 AM
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Coragyps writes:
Well, DUH! You should know that answer! The "H" in the exclamation "Jesus H. Christ" stands for "Haploid!"
(but I don't get the 24 instead of 23 thing.......)
I'm guessing that 23 chromosomes came from Mary and god gave the egg a Y chromosome.

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Message 12 of 105 (133998)
08-15-2004 1:39 AM
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08-14-2004 10:17 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Lam
. . . it would have been all over the news.
Actually, if the account of Wyatt's claim I read was accurate, it (the blood) should be all over everywhere. Since the article I read claimed that the scientists were "overcome" when they saw that the blood cells were still dividing.

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Message 13 of 105 (133999)
08-15-2004 1:43 AM
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08-15-2004 1:39 AM


Could you tell me more about this? Where did he get the blood sample? Which blood cells were still dividing? What the hell happened to the blood sample?

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Message 14 of 105 (134001)
08-15-2004 2:02 AM
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08-15-2004 1:43 AM


The blood supposedly came from the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant that Wyatt claims to have found underneath the crucifixion site. Allegedly, the quake at the time of death opened up a crack at the base of the cross and the blood dripped down.

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Message 15 of 105 (134005)
08-15-2004 2:20 AM
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08-15-2004 1:43 AM


Hi Lam, a.k.a. Darth Mal,
I reviewed the article. Apparently the blood cells had to be placed in a growth medium before they began dividing.
quote:
Amazing claims
An actual sample of Christ’s blood, with chromosomes allegedly still visible under the microscope, showing that there was no human father. Placed in growth medium, the cells began dividing, says Ron.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/...n/v21/i2/ark.asp#Sidebar3

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