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PecosGeorge
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Message 1 of 25 (134342)
08-16-2004 1:22 PM


It is inconceivable to me that a place like Colorado City, Arizona, should exist in this country, supported by taxpayer money, and allowed to 'flourish' trampling our laws. Where young girls are held in slavery, abused and degraded in every which way it is possible, while we focus on far-away lands.
The Mormon church is silent, the state is ineffective and mostly silent, the government is silent.
The separation of church and state does, of course, not apply here.
It troubles me that something like that should pass under the name of Christ in our day when methods to stop it are available.
See: http://rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy131.html
Or google the mormons of colorado city

"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!"
2 Cor. 7:1

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Message 2 of 25 (135740)
08-20-2004 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PecosGeorge
08-16-2004 1:22 PM


Where to?
Where do you want this to go?

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PecosGeorge
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Message 3 of 25 (135750)
08-20-2004 5:26 PM
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08-20-2004 5:09 PM


Re: Where to?
at our discretion
thank you

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Message 4 of 25 (136803)
08-25-2004 2:46 PM


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Yaro
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Message 5 of 25 (136805)
08-25-2004 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by PecosGeorge
08-16-2004 1:22 PM


Plygamy
Brings up a good issue. Wasn't polygamy outlawed because of the Mormons?
Anyway, I know that mormon polygamy hasn't allways had a sparkling clean record, and I agree with you as far as things like girls being forced to marry young etc. are a bad thing.
But I wonder, if all parties involved were kosher with the idea, why not polygamy?
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Message 6 of 25 (136808)
08-25-2004 3:03 PM
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08-25-2004 2:56 PM


Re: Plygamy
I see no reason why consensual polygamy shouldn't be allowed, given that all individuals involved are (1) legal adults, (2) sane, (3) well educated on the matter, (4) and in complete agreement willingly.

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For goodness's sake, please vote Democrat this November!

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Message 7 of 25 (136810)
08-25-2004 3:10 PM
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08-25-2004 2:56 PM


Re: Polygamy
I was thinking about spinning-off a polygamy topic, but you captured my thoughts perfectly in your message.
Polygamy rights would seem to be as valid as gay civil unions (mariage), which I do support.
But, considering how messy party of two mariages can get, can you imagine what it would be like for more than two participents?
Moose

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PecosGeorge
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Message 8 of 25 (136812)
08-25-2004 3:14 PM
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08-25-2004 2:56 PM


Polygamy and etc
the LDS should be outraged and do all in its power to stop the atrocities committed against children/girls. It does nothing, meaning, it is o.k. with them that such atrocities are enacted.
Next is the community itself, the State, and the Federal Government. Since nothing is done to actually stop it, the practice must be o.k.
What's more, federal monies are given to these people to further their existence.
Does that make sense?
A little more research into the actual practices will make you shudder, no less than any evil perpetrated against any woman on this planet.

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PecosGeorge
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Message 9 of 25 (136815)
08-25-2004 3:20 PM
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Re: Polygamy
your point about messy is to the point. what would it take for a man to handle a three- or four-woman household? the husband would become the referee. he'd die young.

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Yaro
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Message 10 of 25 (136818)
08-25-2004 3:25 PM
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08-25-2004 3:10 PM


Re: Polygamy
No kidding.
What if only one wants a divorce, or all of them. Who gets to keep the kids?
Jeez, what a disaster! It would definetly complicate things on legal grounds, but on moral/ethical grounds I see nothing wrong with it.
Perhapse govurnment should get out of the marrige buissness altogether?
But then how do you protect kids and fincances?
very complex indeed.

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Message 11 of 25 (136828)
08-25-2004 4:22 PM
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08-25-2004 3:25 PM


Re: Polygamy
It would definetly complicate things on legal grounds,
Actually polygamy is practiced throughout most of the world. I provided a link to this effect a long time ago and now I wish I had hung onto it. Thus there is pretty ample legal examples of how they can be and are handled.
Polygamous marriage would not be much more complex than a regular marriage, and certainly MUCH LESS complex than marriages which involve divorced couples that are fighting over custofy or property, as well as those with large estates and so want delicate contracts.
It is everyone's imagination... likely due to it's being unknown... that it MUST be harder and more confusing. Indeed marriage contracts are simply legal contracts and so multiple partners would be like companies with multiple contracts to other companies. The CONTRACTS spell out how things should spell out the relationships on which the law will act.
As far as kids go, this is already pretty set according to state laws anyway (I also provided a link to this a while back). Unless someone decides to adopt the children then they will be set by law according to who the physical parents were.

holmes
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Silent H
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Message 12 of 25 (136829)
08-25-2004 4:23 PM
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08-25-2004 3:20 PM


Re: Polygamy
what would it take for a man to handle a three- or four-woman household? the husband would become the referee. he'd die young.
Time to grow up George.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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PecosGeorge
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Message 13 of 25 (136833)
08-25-2004 4:41 PM
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08-25-2004 4:23 PM


Re: Polygamy
I guess you could drug them, have several bungalows 'side-by-each', keep a cat-o-nine handy.
It is actually a perversion of the ideal.
The ideal for the Christian being Adam and Eve.
It'll be interesting to see how many will deny this.
As for growing up? I'm at the delicate age of trying to figure out what being 18 is supposed to be like. When I have figured it, I'll be o.k. for any age, including old.

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Message 14 of 25 (136835)
08-25-2004 4:57 PM
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08-25-2004 4:41 PM


Re: Polygamy
What about all the polygamy in the OT?
Where in the Bible does it specifficaly say only one man and one woman?
Seriously, I am curious.

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Message 15 of 25 (136851)
08-25-2004 7:37 PM


The bias against polygamy and marriage at young ages is simply a recent phenomina, and one pretty much limited to a small percentage of the world's population. It has no moral or even social legitimacy beyind a limited set of social mores.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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