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Philip
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Message 78 of 130 (333986)
07-21-2006 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by 2ice_baked_taters
07-21-2006 2:39 AM


Big Bang Critics
Why is it assumed that things began at a singularity?
Silas would better answer this. I hypothesize:
1) The 'expanding universe' evidence supports singularity ... a central core of expansion (if that is what you're getting at).
2) Parsimony exists in singularity of expansion (i.e., it's easier to construe)
3) The Creation-Phenomenon begs *one set of rules*, not many.
4) Theists will construe one *Designer*
5) Etc.
(Please specify what you mean by singularity)
If anything occured before would we even be able to know? We assume a beginning.
Ah, the *Alpha-event-of-the-alpha-event*. Time eventually *eludes* scientists (as do quarks, light, life, and metaphysics)
(I’ll not respond again as my specialty is not astrophysics. I do *wish*, however, that great scientists (like Silas) would provide disclaimers (as do physicians) concerning the 'bounds of their big-bang knowledge')
Edited by Philip, : a little refining

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Philip
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Message 85 of 130 (334850)
07-24-2006 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by sidelined
07-22-2006 8:39 AM


Confusing Matter with Mass {as in E=MC^2}
sidelined writes:
2ic_baked_taters writes:
sidelined writes:
What do you mean that it changes form?
Energy to matter/matter to energy
or more accurately matter being energy in a specific state
"the amount of matter remains the same"
This current paradigm seems to *confuse* everyone but physicists (http://explorepdx.com/bitofsci.html):
1) "Matter is substance; something we perceive" (albeit solid, liquid, gas).
Metaphysical reality as well as physical seems invoked by the word 'perceive'. Hence the physicist's frustration.
2) "Mass is an abstraction related to forces and interactions of matter with matter."
Seeing matter is perceptual and metaphysical (by definition) I'm not convinced that matter truly remains the same, perhaps even in your isolated examples. However, matter might remain invulnerable from your philosophical viewpoint (I don't know).
Then (*of course*) there's *The Reality of Antimatter* (Sun) "created and annihilated in stars every day"*
Quoting Robert Britt (from 2003):
"To better understand the elusive nature of antimatter, we must back up to the beginning of time.
In the first seconds after the Big Bang, there was no matter, scientists suspect. Just energy. As the universe expanded and cooled, particles of regular matter and antimatter were formed in almost equal amounts..."

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Philip
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Message 87 of 130 (334930)
07-24-2006 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by 2ice_baked_taters
07-24-2006 2:28 PM


Re: Big Bang Dilemmas
2ice_baked_taters writes:
It is likely that matter is the expression of energy in a given state. Matter in effect being an expression or manifestation of energy.
2ice_baked_taters, physicists (here) would appreciate more precise mathematical definitions to avoid abominable metaphysical inquiry.
I’m already concerned that anti-matter (AKA *anti-mass* or something) data severely contradicts itself to physicists here and that you might hypothesize most anything about the beginning of the creation.
My take herein is: that there’s just not much credulity to be expected from astro-physicists in this elusive area of science. My own disclaimer, thus.
2ice_baked_taters writes:
If everything began as energy this must be true.
. A lot of *peculiar boundless* energy I’d speculate.
1) Peradventure boundless/infinite energy to produce infinite space-time continuum(s)
2) Peradventure political-religious Energy from a singular Redeeming Designer that *makes the rules of the cosmos*
I suspect astro-physicist Silas (though himself a “non-believer” 2 years ago) would agree somewhat with this.

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