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RAZD
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02-05-2005 11:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Sylas
02-05-2005 10:19 PM

what about . . .
. . . ekpyrosis
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from the superstring people and multidimensional 'branes'
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Faster than you can say "Ekpyrotic Universe," a movement has taken hold -- albeit like fingers on a ledge of eternal skepticism -- that would blow one of the basic tenets of the Big Bang to smithereens.
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It was developed by Neil Turok of Cambridge University, Burt Ovrut of the University of Pennsylvania, and Paul Steinhardt and Justin Khoury of Princeton University.
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The Big Bang: What Really Happened at Our Universe's Birth? | Space
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interestying topic
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02-06-2005 8:12 AM 		Reply to: Message 3 by Sylas
02-05-2005 11:37 PM

Re: what about . . . ekpyrosis
I think of it as a different kind of bang, the way a car hitting another car is different from a carbomb (heh), but yes still a bang.
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I understand one of the predictions is no gravity waves ... which have not yet been observed (and which are predicted by the {standard\inflation} model), but this runs into the problem that an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence (just of absence of detection).
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No I'm not betting the farm, but I'm not taking my eyes of this colt either.
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cheers
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02-06-2005 8:26 PM 		Reply to: Message 6 by Sylas
02-06-2005 8:39 AM

Re: what about . . . ekpyrosis
that is my understanding. all I have seen is the popular articles like the one referenced (and it is one of the better for detail).
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I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop ... but it may be a while.
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09-17-2005 12:43 PM 		Reply to: Message 35 by cavediver
09-17-2005 5:58 AM

Re: Big Bang /Evolution is a Religion NOT a Science
I seem to have a window as RAZD is taking a while coming back to my attempts to cure him of his skeptism of GR
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just giving you guys a breather . I'll have something soon.
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09-18-2005 9:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 46 by cavediver
09-17-2005 1:03 PM

Re: Big Bang /Evolution is a Religion NOT a Science
Do you do any work
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Regular. It's sleep that's the problem, especially when I'm having so much fun
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RAZD
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Message 58 of 130 (245432)
09-21-2005 8:34 AM 		Reply to: Message 55 by LA Buck
09-19-2005 11:02 PM

Re: Thank and goodnight
So I found this:
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so what is the source for this copy and past that covers the rest (3/4ths) of your post?
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Ok, so I need to be precise in how I define the word science and make sure of that when I say Big Bang is not a SCIENCE.
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No, you just need to use the current definition in the same way that it is used by scientists today. Last time I checked there were no posters from the roman era posting in latin.
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Communication is based on common usage of the same words, and any attempt to obfusticate meaning is not communication.
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Seems to me this whole post is another {declare victory and run from the field} because your position is untenable and you can't admnit it to yourself.
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09-25-2005 8:17 AM 		Reply to: Message 59 by b b
09-25-2005 6:41 AM

Re: Thank and goodnight
First off, I am going to assume that you are not a troll, and answer as if you are posting your honest opinions.
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... I believe in that ...
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In other words, faith unnencumbered by any real evidence. I suggest you read the forum guidlines before you get much further with posting your unsubstantiated assertions, specifically as regards the science forums (of which this thread is one).
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When you post on the scientific forums you are expected to be able to provide evidence for your claims, so I could ask you to verify not just that "there is only one truth" but that it is what you claim, noting in passing that words in a book are not evidence and that real evidence is observable by anyone.
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Other than that, you are welcome to your opinions whatever they are and however arrogant and petty they are, and welcome to the fray.
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Enjoy.
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RAZD
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09-25-2005 5:52 PM 		Reply to: Message 64 by b b
09-25-2005 4:14 PM

Re: Thank and goodnight
I don't know how long I'll be here if I can't do that because in order to discuss evo vs cre, one would state facts for evo and have to only discuss beliefs with cre.
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Try this part of the board, it has several other types of forums available for posting opinions:
http://EvC Forum: Forum List
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Maybe what you want is in the Social Issues and Creation/Evolution section.
EvC Forum: Social Issues and Creation/Evolution
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For reference, these are the science forums (where this thread is located):
http://EvC Forum: Forum List
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there is no facts about creation without faith.
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Facts are independent of faith. If you need faith to accept certain things, they are not facts but beliefs.
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As a side note, at the top of the window that has the "Text of the message you're replying to" there are buttons to chose between two modes of viewing the message: {Normal} O {Peek Mode:} O
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If you chose {Peek Mode} you can see how (easily) quote boxes are done.
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Creation is a belief.
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And as such should not be any part of any science class right?
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Stay, Learn, Share, Enjoy.
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