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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 112 of 287 (180639)
01-25-2005 10:46 PM


explosion
I was sent here because I am a beginner and I casually posted an irrelevant reply in another thread.
but my question is, Explosions are destructive, not constructive. The Big Bang in the essence of its words is an explosion. Bang in the dictionary is "a sudden loud noise, as of an explosion." or "a sudden burst of action." in the informal sense. (which I would take to be the non-true meaning of the word)
Why is this fact so easily cast aside?

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 114 of 287 (180651)
01-25-2005 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by jar
01-25-2005 10:56 PM


Re: explosion
The bomb exploded, killing thousands.
The lung exploded, killing a person.
The person with an explosive personality, angry outbursts.
The reason I think all explosions are destructive is because they are. The explosions such as an "explosive income" or "explosive knowledge" are metaphorical. Using the secondary definition of the word explosive doesn't support much.

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 116 of 287 (180656)
01-25-2005 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by jar
01-25-2005 11:23 PM


Re: explosion
I'd rather not refer to myself as what I'm physically made of. I have a soul and I would rather be a masterpiece of Creation than an evolutionary process.
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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 119 of 287 (180674)
01-26-2005 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 117 by jar
01-25-2005 11:31 PM


Re: explosion
You say our "packaging" is the result of explosions, but what about the soul. The soul is intangible and could not be the result of explosions unless humans have no souls which would put us at the same level as any life-form. What is the origin of the soul? Surely there was not a culmination of souls in what expanded into our universe, animals don't have a spiritual nature like humans and it seems impossible that a soul would evolve and more improbable that humans would spontaneously gain a soul through the evolutionary process.Unless we're all just empty human beings.

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 121 of 287 (180678)
01-26-2005 1:34 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by jar
01-25-2005 11:23 PM


Re: explosion
the creative power of explosions.
pretty sure that's an oxymoron if explosions destroy.

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 125 of 287 (180795)
01-26-2005 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 124 by crashfrog
01-26-2005 11:06 AM


So evolution's true? do you really believe that?

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 128 of 287 (180899)
01-26-2005 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by crashfrog
01-26-2005 11:32 AM


It's not possible to know what is true, because of a philosophical problem called "solipcism".
How do I know that's true?
It's not a theory about the formation of the universe or the origin of the first living things, so naturally I don't believe it explains those things.
If evolution is not the answer to the origin of the first living things and the formation of the universe then where do you go? Is that just a blank page waiting for an answer?
aside from this I would like to know how the "unfolding" of the universe caused the Earth's placement to be so exact that if it was farther or closer away from the sun, we would freeze or burn up respectively.
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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 133 of 287 (181249)
01-28-2005 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by Coragyps
01-26-2005 5:37 PM


Most likely, chance put our planet where it now is, and then, with liquid water and some other amenities, life arose.
Chance? Chance is a likelihood that something will happen as you said. There's a likelihood that that 13.7 billion years nothing "expanded" into everything that is today. There is also a likelihood that this universe was created by God who set the clock.
Which brings an interesting view to mind: Who started the clock? When did time began and intialize the explosion of our universe compressed into the confines of an atomic nucleus?
There HAS to be a starting point, a stopwatch does not just start but has to have a button pushed. Did God push start the time with the push of button and let the Big Bang take its course? This is illogical since, given his infinite power, he could have created everything with out the the billions of years.

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 134 of 287 (181253)
01-28-2005 3:03 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by crashfrog
01-26-2005 5:27 PM


Maybe everything is a delusion, but a delusion so convincing it can't be distinguished from the truth.
You're claiming that since everything might be a delusion no person can find truth. Does our whole humanity submit to possibile lies? Why are you here? For what purpose have you been placed on this earth for God's sake!! Are we merely life-forms with no eternal purpose just to rot in our grave and be forgotten?
I know the Bible can't convince anybody who doesn't want to believe in it but I think this verse might bring light to the frustration of creationists versus evolutionists:
1 Timothy 4:3,4
"3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
I don't mean to infringe on any scientific theories but only to convey what we believe to be the truthful, inspired, Word of God and how it affects our view in this debate.

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 136 of 287 (181262)
01-28-2005 3:22 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by simple
01-28-2005 3:17 AM


Thanks for agreeing with me but these "evo witnessers" are just trying (trying key word) to maintain a healthy debate. The creation vs. evolution debate is not spiritual, its good science vs. bad science.

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 139 of 287 (181416)
01-28-2005 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by crashfrog
01-28-2005 11:26 AM


Oh? You're smart enough to second-guess God?
Obviously you are otherwise you would believe that he created this universe.

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 141 of 287 (181421)
01-28-2005 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by crashfrog
01-28-2005 11:23 AM


and continually refine them in the light of additional data.
This sounds to me like changing answers to one question: How did everything come to be as it is today? What you just said portrays that you every new piece of data is desperately used to support theories that are falling apart.
If you can't come up with the answers yourself, I can't help you. If its so hard for you to come up with a purpose for yourself that you need an infinitely powerful being to do it for you, then you simply don't have enough imagination.
I have the answers, they're in the Bible but where are yours? I don't have to come up with a purpose for my life, God already has one. I am given free will to love God or reject him, obey him or disobey him, die eternally or live eternally. That probably sounds like a load of crap to those who can only believe in a world you can touch, but the way he has changed my life and countless others is more real than anything on this earth.
Crash, you didn't even answer my question. Instead of saying "I" you said just related to me:
If you...I can't help you...If its so hard for you...then you simply don't have...
What is YOUR purpose in life? Give me a straight answer, that's all I want. Why are YOU unique from everyone else? Evolution and the Big Bang cannot answer these questions.

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 144 of 287 (181426)
01-28-2005 4:41 PM
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01-28-2005 4:33 PM


Re: T o p i c !
but have you considered just how many base pairs are in your or my (or Crash's) genome?
I'm talking about the uniqueness of your personality, the way you talk, your passions, what makes chills go down your back, courage, honor, like actual virtues. How did those come from monkeys?
....Sorry, I'm still a beginner. But I would like crash to answer the question as well as anyone else. But I'll try to relate it back to the Big Bang theory being a complete sham.
..it seems like every question that evolutionists really don't want to answer gets scolded or rejected.
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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 148 of 287 (181533)
01-29-2005 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Coragyps
01-28-2005 4:27 PM


You're perfectly welcome to posit some creator to start it all, if that's what floats your boat. But in my view, such a thing is just one more level of complexity to explain in an already complex universe - and a level with no physical evidence for itself.
It's not complex at all, God being the ultimate Creator is the simplest answer if you believe in it. And wouldn't an "already complex universe" make the Big Bang theory less credible and the idea of a Creator more truthful to the facts.

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daaaaaBEAR
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Message 149 of 287 (181536)
01-29-2005 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by crashfrog
01-28-2005 4:59 PM


Yes, the answers change as our knowledge increases. Why does that bother you? Should we never change our minds about anything, even when it's obvious that we're wrong?
It doesn't bother me but it should bother you and others who follow the same logic. Knowledge about our universe will probably always increase but what about the truth? Do theories just hold as temporary answers till a more reliable one arises? Theories don't prove anything. Portraying these theories as fact is hypocrisy, when you criticize Creationists for their beliefs in a created universe.

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