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SoulFire
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Message 51 of 287 (97978)
04-05-2004 8:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by CreationScientist
03-30-2004 6:04 PM


Taking the advice of JonF, I have decided to do some studying up on Thermodynamics, and what I have learned so far is that Thermodynamics refers to "understanding the patterns of energy change and how these changes relate to the states of matter" not the matter itself. So the First Law of Thermodynamics should then be "Energy cannot be created or destroyed." Not, as you said, "Matter cannot be created nor destroyed." (crashfrog mentioned this mistake, but failed to make clear exactly what it was)
Crashfrog also stated that matter can be destroyed through nuclear reactions, but this doesn't mean that it can be created, unless of course there is some evidence of this that I am unaware of (this is highly probable due to my limited knowledge). If matter has been created by man then please tell me.
However, the Big Bang Theory (as I know it) does assume a pre-existing concentration of energy, where did it come from? It couldn't have just been created from nothing because that does go against the First Law.

Also, while studying Thermo's 2nd Law, I read "Energy spontaneously tends to flow only from being concentrated in one place to becoming diffused or dispersed and spread out." Now, I'm just making an inference here, but since Thermodynamics refers to "understanding the patterns of energy change and how these changes relate to the states of matter", then would this mean that the energy affects the matter and causes it to move in the same dirrection as it? If so, then the energy (and matter) would tend to disperse and spread out, not concentrate into planets and stars. I put "tend" in bold there because it is possible that a strong enough force could concentrate the energy pull the matter together to form planets, but would that really happen? I was taught that gravity is caused by matter, in that any two objects exert a gravitational force of attraction on each other, that the direction of the force is along the line joing the objects, and that the magnitude of the force is dependant on the mass of the objects, as well as the distance between them. If this is all true then would the gravitational force exerted by the matter be strong enough to attract any other matter? I'm actually asking this question (because I'm rather ignorant concerning the subject) and would apprecitate an answer.

Only DNA is known to produce DNA. No chemical interaction of molecules has even come close to producing this ultra-complex code which is so essential to all known life.

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SoulFire
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Message 55 of 287 (98022)
04-06-2004 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Percy
04-05-2004 11:09 PM


Re: Banging on the 2nd Law
Thanks for clarifying those couple of things there Percy (as well as Sylas and to a lesser extent Eta_Carinae), I'll be sure to do some more studying on these subjects. Thanks also for not being too harsh on me, though I'm pretty sure I have a distinct education disadvantage (I had no idea matter could be converted into energy and so on), so please excuse me for not fully understanding the facts you have presented. Also, if you could explain entropy to me then please do.
[This message has been edited by SoulFire, 04-06-2004]

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