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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Arkathon - you are a dimwit. Pure and simple, a dimwit. Your diatribes make no sense, when you don't understand something you flit quickly around writing some new nonsense like a butterfly going from flower to flower.
Everything to you is a complex fog of technical jargon because simple sentences befuddle you. Hence, to compensate for a lack of understanding it's all branded a conspiracy from 'cultists' as you put it. Instead of the reality which is your lack of comprehension and the fact that you belong probably to some minor North American Christian Cult with some bizarre title like the Southern Ohio Tabernacle Brethren of the Adventist Nazarene Apostolic Calvary Chapel. A cult so minor that apart from a few methodone drop outs and lifelong nutcases it wouldn't exist. You show no sign of understanding - which doesn't mean agreement - all you chant (apart from probably your nightly tongue speaking) are appeals from your own ignorance and/or incredulity. I am sure we could tell you that in an electric circuit one of the simple forms of Ohms Law is V=IR and you would scream 'where is room for the Lord in that', 'if there is no Jesus in Ohms Law then by golly it's not real' - you would scream for Divine cause in a bloody light bulb illumination from a battery and two wires. Dork! [This message has been edited by Eta_Carinae, 03-30-2004]
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
I am insulting you. I am amazed how long people on here are dealing with you.
Without bragging I probably am more versed in cosmology than anyone on here (apologies to all) but I refuse to deal with you. I honestly believe you have no chance of understanding and even if you could you would not. I have seen dozens of posts directed at you where people are genuinely trying to at least point out the fallacies of your arguments or errors of fact you make. But instead of even letting them know you understand you write some slightly tangential piece of chaotic nonsense. You hide behind the nonsense to divert away from your lack of comprehension. All in all, a waste of time.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
The definition for the Big Bang I took out of page 362 of the HBJ General Science 1989 Edition Textbook. OK mistake #1 - never get a cosmological definition from a book such as this. I can guess already what it's going to fuck up.
In the realm of the universe nothing really means nothing. Not only would matter and energy disappear, but also space and time. However, physicists theorize that from this state of nothingness the universe began in a gigantic explosion 16.6 billion years ago. Yep I was right - just knew the word explosion would be in there. Wrong, of course, but expected. The date is wrong but since it's a 1989 reference that is excusable.
Also from the Scientific American May 1984 Edition Page 128. The observable universe could have formed from an infinitesimal region The entire universe evolved from literally nothing. Sci Am is not a great source (good for high school essays I guess) but nothing really wrong here. Of course a big red flag for Creationists pops up at the word nothing. They see Jesus disappearing so they tend to panic.
As stated above in the beginning there was nothing than it exploded. Does everybody know what the first law of thermodynamics says? Matter cannot be created nor destroyed. Here matter is definitely being formed from nothing. This is just bad science; even the most basic scientist knows that matter could not have arising from nothing exploding. OK the meat of the matter. Exploded is a misnomer as hinted at earlier. Yes funnily enough I do know what the 1st law is - and I'll wager you don't. What you needed to say was energy cannot be created or destroyed. But wait - that isn't necessarily true. Don't like this statement do you. In fact you think Eta is full of shit right about now. You see the 1st Law is a consequence of the time translational symmetry of spacetime. This hints at a couple of problems. At the initial Big Bang singularity you don't have this symmetry. In fact in the Universe today on a global scale you also don't have this symmetry. It applies really only to a asymptotically flat spacetime. So your statement is bad science - which I expect from someone who has never heard of Noether's theorem or anything about General Relativity. I will add though that no one knows what exactly happened at the singularity. Until we have a quantum theory of gravity we wont. Maybe some new form of a conservation law(s) will show themselves but until then it's a guess.
On page 61 of the 1992 Edition Prentice Hall General Science textbook it states. Most scientists believe that 18 to 20 billion years ago, all the matter in the universe was concentrated into a very dense, very hot region that may have been much smaller than a period on this page. For some unknown reason this region exploded. This explosion is called the Big Bang. Another terrible source. Dates wrong too. Use of the word explosion. Damn those Nova shows and popular press articles. This should be exorcised!
In this at least there is matter to begin with. That make you happy. Because it's wrong - just thought I'd let you know that.
On page 69 the book states that as the nebula shrank it spun faster and faster. So this region is spinning. Does everybody know what the law of conservation of angular momentum is? This law states that in a frictionless environment, remember above it said all the matter in the universe was concentrated, if a spinning object brakes up the pieces will spin in the same direction as the original object. Two planets spin backwards, one spins on its side, and Jupiter has several moons that orbit the planet backwards and spin backwards. Doesn’t this seem just a little strange to you? You may say that maybe something struck the planets to make them spin backwards. Do you know what it would take to reverse the spin of a planet? I think it would leave a dent. OK this is just crap. For one thing you have gone from bad Big Bang descriptions to something about the nebular hypothesis of star/planet formation. And what is more you didn't even know it. ROTFLMAO - you didn't even know it did you? The rest is just hogwash. Do you know what the conservation of angular momentum is? There are many methods of transporting and changing angular momentum. It's total conservation not individual pieces. Anyway - this isn't about the Big Bang. You have mistakenly grabbed info about star/planet formation - it's UNRELATED!!!!!!
Evolution is every bit as much as a religion as creation is. When you get right down to it, you must believe something without knowing why it happened. For some unknown reason this region exploded. By the way the Big Bang and star/planet formation HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH EVOLUTION WHICH IS A BIOLOGY THEORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has this helped?
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
You had a delusional rant.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Part of this is also due to his actions on ChristianForums. He takes pieces from here and posts them there and vice versa.
I'll stand by the dimwit comment though. I accept I was probably a tad over the line. Just read his stuff closely. It's gibberish. No law against that - many do it - but he eats up literally a couple of hundred posts of it.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
you're in bad shape. 'pop in and out' - Woo Hoo. Crazy talk.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
You are unfortunately applying the standard thermodynamic laws to situations they most definitely don't apply.
Try finding out why the 1st & 2nd laws occur at all. It's out there on the web if you look - and I think I have written some posts in the past on this topic.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
G = 8 Pi T.
Einsteins field equation. T is the stress-energy tensor. Check it out. This should answer your query.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Ether.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Mmmm
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Wow - 2 threads - 2 mistakes.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Why don't you parse the bullshit yourself and figure out the error.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
One liners were the limits to any discourse I was going to do.
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