Phat is very fond of telling others what I think, believe, feel and say.
However, others can actually read what I say and understand they have no way to tell what I feel, think or believe OTHER than through what I say.
To assert that I despise Biblical Christians is patently absurd. Frankly, Biblical Christians hardly rise to the significance that might engender such feelings. What the say though and what they advocate and the total complete dishonestly that is the hallmark of what they market is despicable and the fact that such insipid simpering silliness is taken seriously by a large segment of the population astounding and frightening.
I pity them & fear them; I am amazed continually by their demonstrable inability to think, to reason, to observe, to contemplate or even to attempt to learn the very basics of the subjects they claim to profess.
As to labeling a belief as impossible, the fact is that so far NO ONE claiming to hold those beliefs has been able to attempt to reason or explain how they might be possible.
How does 1 + 1 + 1 == 1?
How can any religious system claiming that there are three entities that are each separate from each other and are each God but that there is only one God?
Until those questions are answered it is reasonable to claim such beliefs are factually impossible.
That of course does not preclude anyone believing such things are possible just as the fact that there is no evidence of the existence of fairies and trolls does not preclude someone from believing in them.
After all sphere visiting Flatland is but a circle.
I stick by my belief that the supernatural will come out of the closet and that Christians will get stronger. They will also become more hated. (No, its not a martyr complex...it appears to be shaping up this way)
You mean the members of the Christian Cult of Ignorance will continue to mistake pity for hate? Sorry Phat but the CCoI is simply not a worthy of hate.
Hint. If the supernatural came out of the closet it would no longer be supernatural.
It might be the tyrant despot that you and the CCoI market but nothing more than your average Tyrant Despot.
Look at the Biblical story of Israel being named. There god physically wrestles with a human. Sounds pretty much like having a form.
But of course the Bible is not one book, not one story and does not have a common god throughout the different stories there is no reason to expect consistency.
Every god ever discussed is simply the product of a human imagination.
Humans are symbol creating and communicating critters but most humans have never learned that the map is not the territory. The symbol apple is not an apple. The symbol Jesus is not Jesus and the symbol god is not god.
What I find interesting is that Phat doesn't seem to understand that in the Genesis reference the god character is simply a plot device and that it's only importance and significance is in regard to the naming of Israel and in outlining the reality that humans will always struggle with the concept of god.
The god in that genesis story is a creation of the author designed and modeled simply to outline and highlight the topics of importance to that story.
There most certainly is and was a GOD long before trees even grew so that paper could be harvested with which to even make the first scrolls which were the Logos inspiration of the One God in Heaven communing with the primitive minds and hearts of man on this one little dust speck of a planet.
Sure Phat. Or many such gods. Or lots of little gods. Or some god that disappeared tens of thousands of years ago. Or no god at all.
You are simply spouting the Christian Snake-oil sales spiel. That's not an argument.
Go and actually read what is written and stop listening to the Christian Profits. If quoted it for you many many many many times. If you like I'll quote it for you yet again.
What is written? What is actually written in the fable? Not what the Profits sell but rather what is actually written?
quote:Jacob Wrestles With God
22 That night Jacob got up and took his two wives, his two female servants and his eleven sons and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 After he had sent them across the stream, he sent over all his possessions. 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob’s hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. 26 Then the man said, Let me go, for it is daybreak.
But Jacob replied, I will not let you go unless you bless me.
27 The man asked him, What is your name?
Jacob, he answered.
28 Then the man said, Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.
29 Jacob said, Please tell me your name.
But he replied, Why do you ask my name? Then he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.
31 The sun rose above him as he passed Peniel, and he was limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon.
It's a "Just So" story Phat. Read it. The story was written to explain the origin of the Tribe of Israel (a kinda important point, in fact far more important than Jesus to the author and the audience), why it's understandable that people will always struggle with both god and other humans and why the Israelite's don't eat certain foods (also far more important to the author and audience than Jesus).
To assert that the Bible was originally a product only of human imagination is ignorant at best.
What does the evidence show Phat? You make the claim, now support it with evidence or reasoned argument.
Dont push the idea that God is simply a product of human imagination in my direction---for I have experienced too much to even consider it.
No one has suggested that you don't believe that Phat. Yet you can never ever (just like every other Biblical Christian) provide any evidence or reasoned argument in support of that position.
On the other hand, I can point to what is actually written to show that every god ever described is simply the product of the human imagination. The story of Jacob's struggle is simply yet another example in support of my position.
Yes, you are misrepresenting what I say. Remember Phat, everyone can actually read what I write.
Yoiu seem to think that IF GOD(God) were provable objectively that method alone would make Him knowable by everyone.
No Phat that is not what I think, that is a supportable conclusion. If something can be shown objectively to exist then it is absolutely knowable by anybody.
Humans do not simply find God. God finds us.
What does the evidence show Phat. Look at how many Gods have found humans. Try to list them all and soon you will realize that the actual number of gods that have found humans exactly matches the number of humans that have created god.
Having never met Gods presence you have no internal reference point from your experiences.
And I have asked repeatedly how you or anyone else can possibly know they have met God or been in God's presence and neither you or anyone else has been able to answer.
Which leads me now to believe that critical thinkers never settle for any absolute...they keep on going. So a question: IS IT POSSIBLE TO BE A BELIEVER AND A STRONG CRITICAL THINKER?
Of course it is. But that depends on what you believe and how honest you are about what you believe.
I'm a believer. Even more, I am a life long Christian believer.
But I also understand that I am a life long Christian believer because I was born into a Christian family, raised in a Christian society and educated in a Christian school.
I understand that it is a path not a "TRUTH".
I understand that my belief is not reasonable, rational or logical.
I understand that had I not been born into a Christian family, raised in a Christian society and educated in a Christian school I might still be a believer but in a whole different set of beliefs and paths.