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Message 122 of 823 (884505)
02-22-2021 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Phat
02-22-2021 3:41 PM


Re: Guest Pastor
My belief IS my foundation.
Then you have no foundation.
Matt 7: 24-27

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Message 132 of 823 (884533)
02-23-2021 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Phat
02-23-2021 6:48 AM


Re: Where There Is Smoke, There Is Fire
I was angry at the defiance of a culture that is turning its back on God.
You might as well be angry at the defiance of a culture that is turning its back on Alfred E. Neuman.
People cannot be defiant of a god unless they (a) believe that god exists and (b) are able to access whatever orders that god is supposedly giving.
You need to accept that there are people who do not believe that your god exists. And you need to accept that such people will pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
The ministry itself is in tatters and it is readily apparent that a man with the reputation that Zacharias presented is striking a powerful blow against the rationality of Christianity itself.
Christianity (or the version that included Zacharias) did far more damage to itself when it went full out in support Donald Trump.

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Message 139 of 823 (884544)
02-23-2021 4:46 PM
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02-23-2021 1:43 PM


Re: Where There Is Smoke, There Is Fire
Jesus will not come back again
If you had stopped there, you would probably have been right. But, instead, you gave us a paragraph of wishful thinking which will turn out to be mostly wrong.

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Message 218 of 823 (885073)
03-21-2021 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by AZPaul3
03-21-2021 3:12 AM


Re: A Horseman Cometh
Some call him “intellect” some call him “asshole”.
Those are not necessarily contradictory.
I appreciate Hitchens for his skills at rhetoric. But I never trusted his judgement. He came out on the wrong side of many issues. In particular, I disagreed with his views on the Iraq war.

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Message 237 of 823 (885273)
03-31-2021 10:33 AM


Relativism
What amuses me is that the strongest opponents of relativism (typically fundie preachers) are so obviously relativists themselves.

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Message 243 of 823 (885304)
04-04-2021 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 242 by AZPaul3
04-04-2021 2:58 AM


Re: Smart Folk Do Err
Then …
… the ending is a bother. Big time.
It didn't bother me. But then I take most cosmology as speculative.
He seems to be attempting to answer the question "Why is there something, rather than nothing." And we should all know that there will never be an answer for this question.

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Message 270 of 823 (885498)
04-14-2021 7:42 PM
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04-14-2021 6:23 PM


Re: Phat, Explain Yourself
I will say, however, that the US is becoming less nationalistic and more globalist.
Honestly, I don't see this. Most of what the US sends to other nations is done for a very American benefit.
But yes, the Internet does exist and that tends to give people a somewhat more global outlook (unless they watch FOX).
We don't see eye to eye on a lot of things. I mean, I claim to follow Jesus Christ but...as a qualifier...I don't simply follow some human sage who advocates giving the shirt off our backs to the needy of the globe.
That seems to say that you do not follow Jesus at all. Instead you follow the counterfeit American Jesus.
AZPaul does not realize that his insistence that the US pay the lions share of the coming bill will in fact lead to war.
The US has been a major contributor to global warming. If we aren't willing to do something about this, then civilization is doomed.
Here are some choice quotes
That's pretty much right wing propaganda.
I will admit that I agree with him that my generation was accused of "white privilege" as if we are supposed to hand out reparations like candy!
I have never thought I was being accused of "white privilege". Yes, I am a beneficiary of white privilege, but that's a fact rather than an accusation.
I don't know about being supposed to hand out reparations. How about we just extend the same privilege to all Americans, and not just whites.
And honestly, Phat, you need a better bullshit detector.

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Message 284 of 823 (885554)
04-17-2021 5:37 PM
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04-17-2021 1:38 PM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
But I always am honest.
Are you honest to yourself?
And I searched for the perfect church.
There's no such thing. Churches are human institutions, and we humans are fallible.
He really does encounter and cast out demons.
Then he is conning you, and you are falling for it.

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Message 305 of 823 (885592)
04-19-2021 3:04 PM
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04-19-2021 4:38 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
I dont lie simply to win an argument, if thats what you mean.
That has to do with being dishonest with other people. That's not what I mean when I ask if you are honest with yourself.
Self-deception is very easy to do. Are you sufficiently skeptical? This is where confirmation bias comes in, and we are all susceptible to it.
How do you know? Absence (of objective evidence) does not equal evidence of absence.
Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. Perhaps it is only weak evidence of absence. Or perhaps it is strong evidence of absence. That's something you have to evaluate yourself.
Are there demons? Maybe "demon" is just another name for mosquito. And in that case, there are demons. The real problem here is that we do not have a sufficiently clear definition of "demon" so we can't actually tell.
I look at it differently. People who claim to cast out demons say that they are solving a problem. Is the problem actually solved?
Sure, when someone is put on stage with an act of casting out demons, that can have a psychological effect, though that effect wears off after a while. Does casting out demons have more than a psychological effect? As far as I know, the scientific research all says "no" to that.

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Message 307 of 823 (885603)
04-20-2021 11:57 AM
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04-20-2021 5:21 AM


Re: What does the evidence show Phat?
I *think* I have a fairly good grip on m perceptions.
It is probably the other way around. Perception has a strong grip on you. Perception is very powerful.
What do you mean by sufficiently skeptical?
Back when I was a Christian, I would notice instances of good fortune and tell myself that it was God being good to me. But when there were instances of bad fortune, I rarely blamed God for that. I just took the bad fortune in stride.
After leaving Christianity, that continued to happen.
We all have instances of good fortune. Even Hitler had such instances. He would not have become Chancellor without them.
Our perception is very good a picking up instances of good fortune that we can use to our benefit. It pays far less attention to instances of bad fortune. This leads to a kind of confirmation bias. And that's where some skepticism is needed.

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Message 324 of 823 (885746)
04-25-2021 10:54 AM
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04-25-2021 9:38 AM


Any excuse to humiliate followers of Christ (or any human being for any reason), whether they have blind faith or not, is appalling to me.
I hope you can be just as critical of Christians who try to humiliate non-Christians. And I hope you are sufficiently unbiased to be aware that this is a very common practice.

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Message 343 of 823 (886316)
05-15-2021 7:09 PM
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05-15-2021 6:10 PM


Re: The Ten Commandments Of Progressive Christianity
Put simply, liberal Christianity is not Christianity.
But then, conservative Christianity is not Christianity either.

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Message 568 of 823 (894302)
05-11-2022 12:31 PM
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05-11-2022 5:36 AM


Re: Which Forum?
but what on earth explains antitheism?
Personally, I am not anti-theist.
The behavior of theists probably explains anti-theism.

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Message 613 of 823 (894723)
05-27-2022 11:58 AM
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05-27-2022 11:28 AM


Re: Proof!
I don't see the humor.
It's a parody takedown of the bullshit arguments coming from apologetics.
Since you do not see those arguments as bullshit, the humor won't work for you.

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Message 650 of 823 (894928)
06-02-2022 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 642 by Dredge
06-02-2022 8:15 AM


Re: Prayer For The Universe
Simply from a practical point of view your interptetation of those verses makes no sense. For example, where would Christians live if they gave up all their possessions? How could they pay the rent?
Here's my take on this.
Maybe two or three months ago, somewhere online I saw a question: What is it that conservatives want to conserve?
I did not see an answer at that time. But my own answer is that they want to conserve privilege (their own privilege). At one time, it was about the privilege of aristocrats. It later morphed into the privilege of wealth. And these days it is often Christian privilege or white privilege.
When Jesus said to give it away, my take is that he was saying to give up the privilege. He was saying that we should be part of the common community, and not require special privilege.

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