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anglagard
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Message 45 of 309 (778978)
02-27-2016 7:57 PM


How to Eliminate the Need for Trigger Warnings
It would be easy to rid any college student of the notion of needing a trigger warning. Anytime someone in class says they are too sensitive for some of the material, simply require them to take this class:
SOCI 102: Studies in Desensitization
Instructor: Dr. Chris Rock (honorary)
In this course we will examine the films of Alejandro Jodorowsky and the earlier works of John Waters, with a particular emphasis on Pink Flamingos. Readings from various classic works will also be included.
This course will prepare the student for further coursework in history, abnormal psychology, and genetics. For Humanities majors it will also aid in tolerating your neighbors in the trailer park after the student loans come due.
Required textbook: Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs. ISBN: 978-0802122070
Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.
Edited by anglagard, : Put in right thread

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 866 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 48 of 309 (778983)
02-27-2016 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Modulous
02-27-2016 8:17 PM


Re: How to Eliminate the Need for Trigger Warnings
Modulous writes:
I hope you never experience a trauma which gives you PTSD. If you do, I hope you don't suffer with obsessive and compulsively reliving the trauma when presented with material other people think is innocuous.
1. It was a joke, I'm sorry I offended you with my National Lampoon (magazine 1970-1980) / Robert Crumb sense of humor. Please note I did use the winky button thereby issuing a trigger warning.
2. Your point is well taken, special circumstances should warrant special accommodations when appropriate. However, censorship for all is never warranted to appease the sensitivities of the few.
I hope this does not dissuade you from any ambition to improve your education.
3. Jeez what a stuck-up prig -- no wonder we declared independence.
Edited by anglagard, : To more directly respond to insult

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 57 of 309 (779015)
02-28-2016 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Modulous
02-28-2016 9:24 AM


Re: How to Eliminate the Need for Trigger Warnings
Modulius writes:
Well, thank you for adding 'insulting my intelligence' to the list of social offense. I am aware of this, but it doesn't change that your joke relies on misunderstanding its own subject matter in order to be funny. Which it isn't anyway.
Furthermore the joke punches down. You haven't identified someone stood a pedestal and thrown rotten fruit at them. You've found someone lying in the gutter and pissed on them.
There can be humour here, but it's usually mean-spirited.
Sometimes my jokes hit and sometimes they miss, but at least I tried. I have never even seen you make a joke and judging from your posts, I think you are one of the most humorless people to inhabit the earth since Timur the Lame, or, pardon me, Timur the Mobility Impaired.
As for punching up or down, doesn't a lot of English comedy such as Monty Python, Are You Being Served, Faulty Towers, Keeping Up Appearances and so on do a considerable amount of punching down? I still find them funny, evidently you do not.
Please note, I was not offended. I am now upset with you because despite me in quite a kind fashion telling you that trigger warnings are used to help people avoid experiencing profound and debilitating mental health crises NOT about protecting sensitivities or avoid offending people - you carried on with the core misunderstanding that your 'joke' relied on to try and defend your posting it.
Would the joke be funny if it was about providing 'Allergy Warnings'? Like is it funny that someone with a potentially lethal chronic condition surrounding coming into contact with nuts? Is it funny if a school or college campus sends a message to all pupils asking them to avoid as much as possible, bringing nuts onto site.
This is funny? Would it be funny to suggest that people with chronic hypersensitivity just eat a bag of nuts and get over it?
Or is it only funny when the person's mind is hypothetically swelling up and killing them - safely out of sight?
You know where I screwed up? I should have titled the post How to Eliminate the Need for Most Trigger Warnings. In this nation trigger warnings are vastly overused. Don't accept evolution - trigger warning; climate change - trigger warning; Civil War about slavery, not state's rights - trigger warning; Hydrology class requires knowledge of differential equations - trigger warning. Revolutionary War not about taxation only, had more to do with being treated like non-citizens - trigger warning.
I also noticed you left the most important part of my post out -- namely:
quote:
Your point is well taken, special circumstances should warrant special accommodations when appropriate.
Instead you go off on some bizarre tangent about Anglagard the peanut allergy killer.
Hmm...humorless, hysterical, and intentionally deceitful -- just to score some brownie points off of yours truly.
An American saying this to a British person? Now that's punching up.
Well, maybe not entirely humorless.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 866 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 58 of 309 (779020)
02-28-2016 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Modulous
02-28-2016 9:24 AM


Re: How to Eliminate the Need for Most Trigger Warnings
Modulous writes:
If you have the urge to complain about the contents of this post - please bare in mind that initially I pointed out that your comments may not have been awesome and why in the kindest possible fashion. This post right here is a response to your defensiveness on this.
The problem is you are using the appropriate narrow definition of trigger warnings that is likely used in your nation and I am condemning its overuse to avoid the truth and censor content in this nation.
I think we are actually speaking past each other because we are actually debating two different subjects.
So I agree with you for the second time concerning the narrow definition and apologize for my lack of clarity in emphasizing this fact.
I hope you understand I am very much against the overuse of trigger warnings in this nation in order to shield one from disagreeable facts, not against their use to warn the vulnerable that they may find any future content disturbing.
Have I made my position clear to you now?
Edited by anglagard, : Provide more appropriate title in regard to the situation in the USA

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 61 of 309 (779024)
02-28-2016 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Modulous
02-28-2016 7:12 PM


Re: How to Eliminate the Need for Trigger Warnings
Modulous writes:
I was hoping to persuade you to target your humour away from people with psychological conditions. Indeed, humourlessness and hysteria don't earn brownie points around here. In this, social...political at times...climate perhaps there is a correct way for me to have gone about doing this that would have not caused you to call me names, elicit a number of PMs from others and perhaps damage my reputation here at EvC?
This was a cross-Atlantic misunderstanding caused by using different definitions and observing different actions in two different nations with a somewhat different sense of humor (mine is sicker and I think much less PC, but don't hold me to that), see previous references.
As I admit, I did not title my post accurately so at least some of this is misunderstanding is my fault. That being said I hereby cease all hostilities.
BTW, great post.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 292 of 309 (780871)
03-25-2016 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Modulous
02-28-2016 8:24 PM


For Your Consideration
anglagard writes:
The problem is you are using the appropriate narrow definition of trigger warnings that is likely used in your nation and I am condemning its overuse to avoid the truth and censor content in this nation.
I think we are actually speaking past each other because we are actually debating two different subjects.
Don't accept evolution - trigger warning; climate change - trigger warning; Civil War about slavery, not state's rights - trigger warning; Hydrology class requires knowledge of differential equations - trigger warning. Revolutionary War not about taxation only, had more to do with being treated like non-citizens - trigger warning.
Modulous writes:
That makes sense of this.
Those aren't called trigger warnings. They're just warnings and dumb disclaimers and the like.
They're stupid, but they're something utterly and entirely different. And that's not a cultural thing. I don't think anybody calls the things you seem to referencing 'trigger warnings'.
Please see the following, starting around 9:00 in and almost to the bitter end:
video1
video2
Sorry, too soon for youtube. I just want to say I believe trigger warnings have the potential of being overused, and when that happens, it diminishes appropriate circumstances. This is an example of overuse.
Perhaps a cultural thing?
Edited by anglagard, : question mark at end
Edited by anglagard, : avoid argument by website.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 293 of 309 (780905)
03-26-2016 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 291 by NoNukes
03-08-2016 11:24 AM


Snopes Calls BS
Snopes calls Emory University story mostly false.
quote:
WHAT'S TRUE: Students at Emory University gathered in protest after pro-Trump graffiti appeared overnight; administrators investigated the graffiti as it appeared outside designated areas for chalk markings.
WHAT'S FALSE: "Emergency counseling" was offered to or demanded by students; Emory students complained that their "safe spaces" had been violated; students were afraid of or traumatized by the chalk markings.
source
Discovered via PZ Myers at Pharyngula
I would be remiss in my duty if I failed to report The Nightly Show and, by extension, myself, were had.
Just shows how this discussion is indeed fraught with difficulty when trying to distinguish fact from fiction when so many have some hidden agenda.
Like a pleasant stroll through Mos Eisley Spaceport, "one must be careful."

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 295 of 309 (781256)
04-02-2016 8:29 PM


A Learning Experience
I first joined EVC after I discovered it while researching a claim by my 7th Day employee concerning the flying ability of pterosaurs (yes, their bones are hollow like birds). Since then I have used it as a discovery tool, have been schooled, and am the better for it. For example, while wavering over the death penalty and free speech rights concerning the antics of the Westboro Baptist Church, jar set me straight and now my ideas on both subjects align perfectly with his. To jars credit he did not chastise me further or gloat but rather welcomed me to the fold.
Likewise after an ill-considered joke and much research, I have come to the conclusion that nearly all instances of - not just trigger warnings but also of any example of political correctness - overblown by the mass media. For that I largely have Modulous and Snopes to thank for a necessary realignment.
While jar is gracious in victory, Modulous so far is not as the following suggests:
quote:
That somebody would think a comedy show was a source of good information astounds me. Also - I'm surprised somebody thought the Nightly Show was a source of good information.
Contrary to Modulous' assertion that I find comedy shows a reliable source of information, I was simply pointing out the debate had even hit the Nightly Show. Clearly my own subsequent post citing Snopes providing a mostly false verdict on the entire Emory University phenomena shows what I consider a reliable source.
OK Modulous here it comes:
Thank you for schooling me on this important topic. I deeply apologize for any vitriol I displayed toward you in previous posts. You were right and I was 'mostly wrong' in the vernacular of Snopes.
While I still believe such political correctness nonsense can exist and be abused as such, my research indicates any such claim on the part of the mass media should be met with the severest skepticism.
Once again, thank you Modulous.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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