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RAZD
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Message 3 of 309 (778813)
02-24-2016 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Blue Jay
02-24-2016 1:39 PM


... Liberals were least accurate about both groups.
My first impression is that liberals would have a wider (more open ended) view of morality than conservatives.
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Message 36 of 309 (778929)
02-26-2016 4:29 PM
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02-25-2016 11:34 AM


... the liberals were more likely to misunderstand a conservatives morals ...
A liberal, having a more open mind, would understand what the conservatives are saying\thinking, but consider it inappropriate, ignorant or silly.
The whole "life begins at conception" issue, for example is both silly and ignorant. Living cells are combined so there is no new "life" being made, and then only ~30% of zygotes (egg+sperm) make it to fetus category: the other ~70% don't, and never will, qualify as a human being, so even the more relevant definition of "human life" does not apply to conception.
Anyone wanting to discuss this should go to Legal Death, Legal Life:
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From the above link we can see that over 70% of zygotes do not normally and naturally become living breathing thinking human beings. Over half of conceptions are not human beings - a single cell that passes out of the uterus is no different than a skin cell that is shed, an ejected blastula is no different than tissue that is accidentally or intentionally cut off (like a toenail), and an empty pregnancy sac is not a living organism.
The point here, is that basing your "morality" on a false paradigm is actually worse than silly or ignorant, it is immoral -- to liberal thinking.
... that deep down conservatives don't care about fairness, liberty or harm.
Or reality. This is a major problem, and this false morality is making the US more and more dysfunctional, and not just at government levels.
I think this might comport with your first impression: conservatives evaluate morality using a larger set of criteria, so perhaps the added criteria serve as additional constraints. So, the conservatives' confidence intervals are narrower (that is, they allow less "wiggle-room" around their decision), and consequently they give much more rigid moral answers in specific scenarios?
Schrodinger's cat says sometimes there is a box, sometimes there isn't. That doesn't mean we should be ruled by the box, rather we should consider both possibilities.
Liberals think the choice should be up to the cat.
Another example is a woman I was trading posts with on facebook regarding the statement of faith that Bernie made: she wanted to know where he stood on receiving Christ into his life, and was basing her choice of presidential candidate on that sole criteria. She did not care whether or not politicians lied about being Christian, she would take them over someone who was a life-long Jew based solely on this one criteria. That is insane -- imhlo (in my humble liberal opinion).
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Message 51 of 309 (778993)
02-28-2016 7:28 AM
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02-26-2016 7:07 PM


Well Faith, you have done it again. Hijacked another thread.
It's been a long time since I've heard the argument "life begins at conception." I don't think it's at all relevant to the conservative's reason for rejecting abortion as murder. ...
You ignored the rest of what I said, which was:
quote:
The whole "life begins at conception" issue, for example is both silly and ignorant. Living cells are combined so there is no new "life" being made, and then only ~30% of zygotes (egg+sperm) make it to fetus category: the other ~70% don't, and never will, qualify as a human being, so even the more relevant definition of "human life" does not apply to conception.
Anyone wanting to discuss this should go to Legal Death, Legal Life:
That was your hint/cue/advise/etc to place your predictable argument on a different thread, because abortion is not the topic. The topic relevant issue was:
quote:
The point here, is that basing your "morality" on a false paradigm is actually worse than silly or ignorant, it is immoral -- to liberal thinking.
The topic involves how conservatives and liberal decide something is moral or immoral.
It's been a long time since I've heard the argument "life begins at conception." I don't think it's at all relevant to the conservative's reason for rejecting abortion as murder ...
And thank you for providing an example of what the topic is about -- that conservatives have more mental boxes that actions must fit inside to be considered "moral" than liberals, boxes that liberals think are silly and irrelevant.
Read Message 1 and reply to that.
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Message 52 of 309 (778994)
02-28-2016 7:50 AM
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02-26-2016 7:35 PM


Isn't that pretty much true at conception. Absent a mishap, a healthy human being results. No more genetic information is added after conception.
Nope. See Legal Death, Legal Life:
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From the above link we can see that over 70% of zygotes do not normally and naturally become living breathing thinking human beings. Over half of conceptions are not human beings - a single cell that passes out of the uterus is no different than a skin cell that is shed, an ejected blastula is no different than tissue that is accidentally or intentionally cut off (like a toenail), and an empty pregnancy sac is not a living organism.
The point here for this thread, is that basing your "morality" on a false paradigm is actually worse than silly or ignorant, it is immoral -- to liberal thinking -- because it interferes with other peoples lives, and enforcing it on others interferes with the ability of people with more open viewpoints on morality to live their life by their choices.
We can also talk about the death penalty, which many conservatives feel is moral and many liberals think is immoral. On this issue we see that the "pro-life" position is hypocritical, while the "pro-choice" position is that life in prison allows for reparations in cases where errors in prosecution have been made, while still preventing the properly convicted from causing more social harm.
The FACT that more blacks are given the death sentence than whites demonstrates a fundamental problem with the justice system that is immoral - imho - in being so blatantly biased.
Again the issue is how we decide what is moral and what is immoral.
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