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jar
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Message 6 of 309 (778827)
02-24-2016 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Modulous
02-24-2016 4:01 PM


As a US Christian Conservative and Republican
As a US citizen, long time Christian, Registered Republican and Conservative I feel I should at least point out that US Conservative Christian Republicans are not a monolithic group.
This is not all that new. A great example was the division between the Goldwater and Rockefeller camps from the 1940s through the mid to late 1970s. Among the folk that would be considered as "Rockefeller Republicans" would be Presidents Teddy Roosevelt, Hoover, Eisenhower, Nixon and Ford as well many holding other offices like the Romneys and Prescott Bush and Earl Warren.

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Message 78 of 309 (779052)
02-29-2016 8:13 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
02-29-2016 5:46 AM


Re: "Political Correctness" and "Progressive" have origins in Marxism
Faith writes:
The TERM Progressive as a political label is what I was talking about and I didn't get the connection from the CP itself but probably from some neoconservatives calling them out for the euphemism designed to bamboozle us dumb Americans.
While Americans may not all be dumb, they are it seems often very ignorant.
You are aware I hope Faith of the American Progressive Party, started by the former US President Theodore Roosevelt in 1912 before there was a Communist Party?

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Message 80 of 309 (779056)
02-29-2016 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Percy
02-29-2016 8:28 AM


Re: "Political Correctness" and "Progressive" have origins in Marxism
Percy writes:
According to Wikipedia, the Communist Party was active in integration issues and the labor movement.
The Greensboro Massacre.
In 1979 the US Communist Workers' Party was holding a rally to oppose the KKK and organize mostly black textile workers in Greensboro, NC. They were attacked and five were killed. The Police actively pulled all protection away from the rally and and later the shooters were acquitted in two all white jury trials.
The people killed were:
quote:
The marchers killed were: Sandi Smith, a nurse and civil rights activist; Dr. James Waller, president of a local textile workers union who ceased medical practice to organize workers; Bill Sampson, a graduate of the Harvard Divinity School; Cesar Cauce, a Cuban immigrant who graduated magna cum laude from Duke University; and Dr. Michael Nathan, chief of pediatrics at Lincoln Community Health Center in Durham, North Carolina, a clinic that helped children from low-income families.
source
That is hardly what I would call propaganda.

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jar
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Message 83 of 309 (779064)
02-29-2016 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by xongsmith
02-29-2016 12:08 PM


Re: BLM, Wall Street
I'm still not sure what is and is not "politically correct". For example; which of the following assertions would be "politically correct"?
The US is a Christian nation.
The basis for our Constitution and Bill of Rights is the Bible?
Islam should not be recognized as a religion and eligible for tax-exempt status because it is the devil's own invention?

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jar
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Message 88 of 309 (779073)
02-29-2016 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Faith
02-29-2016 2:05 PM


Re: PC
Faith writes:
PC is leftist, and comprises opinions that nobody feels free to contradict because doing so would brand you as a racist or homophobe or Islamophobe etc., the exact opposite of the above statements which in fact often get you so branded. Nobody has a problem contradicting the above statements, it’s very PC to contradict them.
So only leftists can be Politically Correct?
If the statements are called into question simply based on the fact that all three were simply false, is that still just "Politically Correct"?

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Message 93 of 309 (779080)
02-29-2016 4:35 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Faith
02-29-2016 3:59 PM


Re: leftist revisionism as usual
Faith writes:
Does it matter to you that a major role was played in this undermining by the big capitalist foundations, Ford, Carnegie and Rockeffeller, in the early 20th century, which financed the rewriting of American textbooks to gradually change the popular opinion away from the freedoms we thought we embraced to revisionist doctrines that deny those freedoms and bring us in line with Communism? (See interviews with Norman Dodd at You Tube) No, by now Communism is embraced by a great number of people in the west, the propaganda has worked and you don't even have a clue what has been lost or that your opinions have been carefully manipulated.
HUH. The Big Capitalists undermining Capitalism?
What has been lost? What has been lost Faith?

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Message 95 of 309 (779085)
02-29-2016 6:06 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Faith
02-29-2016 5:46 PM


Re: capitalists financing Communist propaganda
Faith, you know we don't debate by video, come on.
And as expected, there is absolutely nothing in the video but the usual unsupported assertions and innuendo.
No reasoning person is going to give that any more credence that Big Foot videos.
So again, where is the evidence?
What has been lost?
Will you ever provide evidence involving "Political Correct" statements?

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jar
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Message 99 of 309 (779094)
02-29-2016 8:07 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
02-29-2016 7:51 PM


Re: capitalists financing Communist propaganda
Faith writes:
Unsupported assertions and innuendo? You leftists are a joke. The guy was on the committee that investigated the Foundations and he's reporting on what they learned. But of course he must be a liar, right? What else?
The fact that he is on some committee has nothing to do with evidence of anything but that the fact he was on that committee. He may well be a liar, but that is not what I said; I said unsupported assertions and innuendo are not valid evidence.
This is really pretty basic stuff, Faith.

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jar
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Message 104 of 309 (779101)
02-29-2016 8:45 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
02-29-2016 8:12 PM


Re: capitalists financing Communist propaganda
Again, even though we do not debate by video, there is no evidence presented in that video, only unsupported assertion and innuendo just as your editorial comment of "And probably still are."
Do you know what evidence actually is Faith?

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jar
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Message 107 of 309 (779105)
02-29-2016 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by Faith
02-29-2016 8:47 PM


Re: capitalists financing Communist propaganda
Faith writes:
Evidence has to start with the witness who collected it. Of course you can stay in the dark if you like, and obviously you like.
No Faith, and that is why you are so often wrong. Evidence is independent of individual that collected it.

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jar
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Message 111 of 309 (779112)
02-29-2016 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Faith
02-29-2016 9:00 PM


Re: capitalists financing Communist propaganda
Faith writes:
The mental gymnastics performed by leftists to avoid learning something they don't want to know about is really quite impressive. If the evidence happens to be in the possession of the memory of a single person then that person's testimony IS evidence, whether it is the perfect evidence you require or not. But since it isn't perfect and you don't want to know about it anyway you just find ways of throwing it out so you have no evidence at all rather than the imperfect evidence that might actually lead you to some very useful knowledge. So, as I said, you prefer to be in the dark. So enjoy.
Human memory is known to be unreliable and that is why some other form of evidence is desireable. And when the memory as reported is simply unsupported assertions and innuendo, it really does have very little value.

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jar
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Message 116 of 309 (779117)
02-29-2016 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
02-29-2016 9:15 PM


Re: capitalists financing Communist propaganda
Faith writes:
As I said you dispense completely with imperfect evidence although it is the only evidence available, so you end up with a total blank where you might have learned something about the unconstitutional interference of the big Foundations in American life. You treat anyone as a liar who tells you something you don't happen to know. Wonderful way to keep yourself in the dark. So enjoy your ignorance. I'm sure there is other evidence to be had but it may not be publicly available. Perhaps you could talk the Carnegie foundation into letting you study the minutes of their meetings as they allowed Catherine Casey to do.
Faith, I can examine evidence, evidence far beyond unsupported assertions and innuendo.
How could any big or small foundation unconstitutionally interfere in American Life. That's just nuts, an utterly stupid assertion.
Even if the Carnegie Foundation rewrote all the textbooks (pretty much impossible to do since the Christian Cult of Ignorance religious nuts in Texas seem to be the ones in control of content) it would not be unconstitutional.
Even if the Carnegie Foundation hired each voter and told them how to vote it would not be unconstitutional unfortunately.
If there is evidence then present it; unsupported assertions and innuendo are not persuasive.
That is not a matter of "Politically Correct" but rather of fact.

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jar
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Message 119 of 309 (779121)
02-29-2016 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Faith
02-29-2016 10:20 PM


Re: capitalists financing Communist propaganda
Guess what Faith; I've owned textbooks from the 1920s and even you can still buy them. And they are full of misinformation and downright falsehoods as well as sometimes actual information. We've learned a lot in the last hundred years.
But that is still not evidence to support your or Dodd's assertions.
Nor is there anything unconstitutional about revising textbooks.

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jar
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Message 121 of 309 (779123)
02-29-2016 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Faith
02-29-2016 10:30 PM


Re: capitalists financing Communist propaganda
Faith writes:
You are the LAST person I would trust to tell me what's misinformation or falsehood,
That's the beauty of evidence Faith, you do not have to take my word for evidence. As I pointed out, you can still buy 1920's textbooks today and read them for yourself. It's not necessary to take anyone's word for it; not mine, not Dodd's.

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jar
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Message 134 of 309 (779150)
03-01-2016 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 122 by Faith
03-01-2016 2:56 AM


Re: capitalists financing Communist propaganda
Faith writes:
It's just odd that you don't seem to have any interest at all in the strong likelihood that the supercapitalist endowment Foundations put their money into manipulating the American education system. I find Dodd's testimony quite believable of course, there's so much detail, wherever his memory may oossibly have failed it wouldn't affect the main point of it.
Actually I vigorously support such activities. For example, the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching was started by Carnegie in 1905 and chartered by Congress in 1906 to serve just that purpose. For a Congressional Committee to come along in 1954 and announce the stunning conclusion that an organization chartered in 1906 to provide input and guidance in education was providing input and guidance in education and like everything else in those crazy days part of the "Red Menace" is a great example of the utter ignorance of so many politicians and voters but little else.
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AbE: It is interesting to look at some of the contemporary reactions to the Reece Committee report in light of today's Congress.
The two Democrats on the committee found the report so flawed that they would not even sign it. The Minority Report charged that the foundations "have been indicted and convicted under procedures which can only be characterized as barbaric." and said the Chairman of the Committee had a "deep-seated antagonism toward foundations" which might "well be characterized as pathological."
The Republican Goodwin of Massachusetts included "In signing this report, I do so with strong reservations and dissent from many of its findings and conclusions and with the understanding that I may file a supplementary statement to follow" and in his supplementary statement disagreed with the conclusions and pointed out that this commission came to exactly the opposite conclusion of the Cox Committee that research the same subject just two years earlier.
To added to the embarrassment that was the Reece Committee any testimony supporting the foundations was summarily cut off while testimony critical of the foundations was allowed in full. A great example of that was the fact the committee allowed three full days of testimony by the attorney Aaron Sargent who claimed "income tax was part of a plot by Fabian Socialists operating from England to pave the way for socialism in this country."
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Faith writes:
Also, the idea that their doings were/are unconstitutional was the conclusion of the Reece Committee, not me, the charge being that they sought to change the political nature of America without bothering to follow the Constitutional means given for doing that.
Again, unless there is some evidence to support that assertion it doesn't mean any more than all the other Red Menace crap from the period.
Faith writes:
The idea that a few superwealthy people could plot to turn the nation into something they expect to benefit from personally should be just a little, well, annoying, I would think.
Yet you seem utterly unable to provide any support for such assertions and innuendo.
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