Creationist = Anti-Environmentalist?

*sigh* If only I understood what I was talking about so that my explanations were correct.But thanks.

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What does an authoritarian have to do with it? Look at the kids drooling over MTV, Crash. That's their source of inspiration-- that drivel! And yet they call me the sheep?!?!? Look at those lemmings. Everything society tells them to do, they dutifully follow. Not an autonomous bone in their body. Yet they sneer at me? They have their Pied Piper.

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I don't know, Nuggin. You're the expert. Why don't you tell us. While you're at it, you can expand some of that expertise by providing evidence of your assertion that creationists are anti-environment. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : typo

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Nem, I see 2 things wrong with this statement. There is a difference between anti-environment and anti-envornmentalist. The other thing is ask yourself if you really care that much about the environment.

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I wasn't aware of a difference. Can you expound on the differences? Well, lets see.... I wonder how often the "environmentalists" on the forum have actually done one, solitary thing for the environment. Recycling doesn't count, despite the perceived virtuosity the uber-greenies may think it to be. Among some of my other law enforcement duties, I fine those who are polluting, take part in oil spill clean-ups, and inspect various vessels to keep them in compliance with federal regulations.I'd say that makes me a modern day eco-warrior, wouldn't you?I love a clean environment. I think its important to keep nature as pristine as possible. What I have a hard time falling in with, is how politicized the whole thing is. Even worse are these E.L.F. ghouls who have nothing better to do than firebomb businesses and homes of alleged polluters.Maybe they are unaware that burning a chemical factory, or any home, really, does vastly more harm to the environment. Geniuses.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

You know, NJ, you've spouted a lot of crap over the last bunch of posts, demanding all sorts of evidence and when it's presented you either deny it was (as if people couldn't scroll up) or just ignore it and demand more.The fact of the matter is we've proven that the fundamentalists are in league with/under the direction of the anti-environmentalists.Perhaps it because they hate the world and want to see it ended. Perhaps its because they are too stupid to realize what they are supporting. Perhaps its simply because they HAVE to be on the opposite side, no matter how legit the argument is from the "left".Either way, it's out there, it's apparent. Your position as a denialist does nothing to remove that.

I've demanded that you provide the very things you've claimed. You've yet to provide a shred of evidence that would corroborate it.As for me saying a lot of crap, I find this terribly ironic coming from someone who claimed that creationists want and"Prey on the Ignorant, Destroy the World!, pay influential members of this group to convince the flock to follow," etc, without having been able to give any justification for it. I must have missed that. Can you show me where said proof is located? If creationism entails Christianity, then they don't hate the world. And they don't want the world to end. What they want is God to restore the world in the pristine condition it began with. That must be it. They're just stupid. But you, you must be the embodiment of brilliance. The truth about God could probably be summarized that He's not concerned with right or left, but only right or wrong. I thought skepticism was to be cherished. I'm just not sold on the idea that creationists are anti-environmentalism. I guess we'd have to define what environmentalism means to you. Our versions might differ considerably. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : No reason given.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

For the record I co-run and work on-site for a conservation group (admin, nurseries, planting, weed control, pest control, monitoring, irrigation, community education, etc, etc). Just letting you know we're out there (even if we do mostly lurk).Sonne

I've had a quick look over all 6 pages of this thread and I don't see the support for a link between creos and the global warming deniers that is strong.To link them to Republicans and claim that makes a link to anti-environmentalism is to ignore that there are a lot of other non environmental issues that the Republicans support and might convince creos to vote for them.Was there some other support?

You are fundamentalist. You deny OVERWHELMING evidence of human influence on global warming. That pretty much sums it up.As for you asking for more evidence, I'm sick of answering you. You wanted evidence of CO2 emissions, it was given and ignored. You wanted evidence about Rage Against the Machine, given, ignored. Fundamentalists by name? Given, ignored. Fundamentalists PAID by oil companies? Given & ignored. The bush admin's policies about env and fundamentalist support - given, ignored.There is NO AMOUNT of imformation that will satisfy you BECAUSE you are one of the people who are involved in this.Like ALL the other fundamentalists, you have no position aside from trying to disprove everyone else.Disproving is fine if you REVIEW THE GODDMAN INFORMATION!. Simply saying "No it isn';t" and putting your fingers in your eyes is nothing more than 3rd grade fundamentalist crap.I wish WISH WISH that there was at least 1 person on the fundamentalist side who showed even a shred of reason, even a 5th grade reading comprehension, or at the very least, the willingness to admit (when its staring them in the face) that they've been wrong.So far, no good. Fundamentalism seems chocked full of people as deceitful and argogent as youself.I hope you are right and the rapture does come. Finally the world will be done with your sort and we can get on with peace and progress

Are you now asking me to prove that:
" I see a lot of people who believe in Creationism and are also Global Warming deniers."What more evidence do you want than my personal account of my experiences? Is there someone who has a better account of my experiences?NJ himself is both a Creationist and a GW denier!How about, Nosy, if I ask you to prove Prove that you don't see the support. After all, that's what you are asking of me.I don't have to prove that ALL Creationists are GW Deniers, just that I've seen themThe fact that NJ is ACTIVELY denying GW is sufficient proof in and of itself.

Well, one is actually against the environment, which I don't think anyone is going to stand up and admit, and the other is just against people who care about the environment. Does voluntarily and without saying a word to anyone pick up trash left behind by redneck conservatives in public parks count? I teach all my nephews and nieces to always throw garbage where they belong, in the garbage bags.But there is something that bothers me about this statement. The best thing for one to be environmentally friendly is to leave as little mark on it as possible. There is really nothing drastic one can do that is considered environmentally friendly. By saying to someone like me that I don't do anything is misleading, because I do help the environment by trying to leave as little mark on it as I can. That's your job. Well, I hate the fact that it's so politicized, too. I don't think this should be a matter of politics or public policy. I think it is a common sense issue. If you're going to make your home into a shithole, your children are going to live in a shithole. It's as simple as that.In fact, personally I think we can literally take out half the laws that are in place simply because these should be common sense. These include the equal opportunity employment thing, littering, public urination, etc. I think all of those are common sense issues and not a political issue. But unfortunately, we have to make it a political issue because of the hicks and hillbillies that are out there not putting their seatbelts on while driving at 65 mph. Sure, if you think a job qualifies you to be that. You know, I could just as well point out the remark by your girlfriend (aka Ann Coulter) about how god gave us this earth to pillage and rape all we want... but it's a never ending cycle.Added by edit.Since you're one of the WG deniers, what do you think about Bush's admittance of WG lately?Edited by Tazmanius Devilus, : No reason given.

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Well, then thanks for all your hard efforts. You should come out of lurk mode more often. I'm sure you have a lot to offer the forum.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Cheers

As has been pointed out many times; personal experiences are subject to many possible flaws (particularly confirmation bias). You seem to be admitting that you do not have any support for your views.For your statements to mean anything you have to show that there is a stronger correlation between creos and global warming deniers than between other beliefs and denying. I, for example, know atheists are are deniers. [qs]Prove that you don't see the support. After all, that's what you are asking of me.[.qs]What sort of nonsense is that? There have been claims that the position connecting creos to denying has been supported. To show that my negative assessment is wrong you simply have to show the support. You have made a positive statement. You need to show positive evidence for it. I did what I thought was an exhaustive search of this thread and didn't see the evidence. If my search was exhaustive then I have shown there is no evidence. You now have to show that I missed something.

How on earth would my cynicism of anthropogenically caused global warming mean that I'm anti-environmentalist?You know, the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, has basically renounced his affiliation with Greenpeace because of how politicized they have become, and how little they actually care about the environmentalism. Its just a stage for these people. Its just something to relieve their angsty, dejected feelings.Is Moore then against the environment because he exposed the agenda of certain environmentalists? Certainly not.You are making it so that if I am unconvinced on an issue, or believe many, if not most, environmentalists are a bunch of yahoos, that must somehow mean that I don't care about the environment. The logic doesn't follow. And it only better supports my assertion that environmentalists are just a bunch of hacks looking for attention. Your answers are completely insufficient, as you dance around the subject. Its been pointed out to you by several people. You haven't met the objective. I already know that you can't. So I guess in that way I'm not expecting much from you. Really I suppose I'm looking for you to admit that you went way over your head. Oh yeah.... Of course... I was actually thinking of inviting you to the smoke-filled rooms in our underground lair. Like all Leftist fundamentalists, you're all talk, and no gumption. Look, you made a pretty audacious claim. Its high time you stop providing obscure tongue-in-cheek evidence, or renounce your claim. If I'm arrogant, then Mother Theresa has some explaining to do. That's exactly the kind of mentality that is supposed to come about during the last days. But I think you should be careful what you wish for. You may just get everything you want. But will you want what you're going to get? Food for thought, friend.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias