Creationist = Anti-Environmentalist?

And Global Warming would likely result in, if not an Ice Age, at least the equivalent of the "Little Ice Age." Of course you cannot bring on the rapture, but you most certainly can bring on Armageddon.

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Actually, no. Al Gore's Inc Truth is a movie version of a slide show he's been giving for over a decade. If you want to harken back to the 70's, I'm sure you'll find a meteorologist making your claim. That, however, is NOT the same thing as people 5 years ago claiming that there is no global warming. Care to make a correlation? It may be delicious but it's not relavent. The point was that these people are willing at accept what their authority figures tell them. The people you list clearly are not passively accepting false information from authority figures, they are simply benefiting from a capitalist system.By the way, who better to know the problems of a system than the people who have proven that they can exploit it. You may want to tell your brethren. US' political relationship with Isreal is driven largely by fundamentalists who, quite frankly, aren't in it for the benefit of the Jews. Remember, the Jews are going to be left behind. Okay, let's test the hypothesis. What's your position on Global Warming?

You also need to know that the "Rapture" is one of those things with almost no Biblical support, and really shaky support at that. It's another of those ideas that found support as a plot line to sell books, videos and later CDs to gullible Christians that will buy anything.

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Especially if the key concept is "you are special and everyone else is going to get punished an envy you."Always the punishment.

And you can name and quote them?

Even IF global warming isn't caused by us, would using less fossil fuel be such a bad thing? It isn't like there are no other ill effects.It seems to me that "political spin" is just an excuse for yet another attack on science.

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Ah, right... And lets not forget that he invented the internet too. Yes, meteorologists and climatologists who actively work in that field were predicting this new ice age. Why? Because it was statistically colder than in previous decades/centuries. When people say there is no global warming, I suspect they mean that the earth isn't heating up because of anything humans have done. And if it is, the Industrial Revolution is probably the largest contributor to that dilemma.

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Does the same go for blue states opposing all things conservative?

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Abortion. Illegal immigration. War policies. Greenhouse gases. Walmart. Capitalism. Healthcare. Just to name a few. Take your pick. I'm asking, if you get to make sweeping allegations, can I? It is if it nicely illustrates your willing to turn a blind eye to your own bias. Yes, and my point is that the Left is willingly to blindly follow theirs. So what makes one better than the other? No, they are the ones spreading the propaganda. Exploit it by making millions of dollars, all the while bitching about people that make millions of dollars? What did they prove? That capitalism works? The government sides with Israel because its a flourishing Democracy, proven to be an ally. What does one have to do with the other? I believe a warming trend is occuring. I believe a nominal percentage is due to humans. I believe the majority of it is part of a natural cycle. I believe this hype is an unfortunate causualty of politics.

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Yes, I do doubt it. It is anecdotal at best. I have asked you again and again and again to show me some evidence.You have not. Any study, almost anything in a scientific framework that shows YECs have no or little environmental awareness or a desire to keep the world in good shape will do.For the fifth time, I think, please show me your evidence!

A few were, yes, for some pretty good reasons - atmospheric particulates had skyrocketed, and we know they reflect sunlight back into space, cooling the Earth.Nobody at the time knew precisely how much reflection, and nobody knew how intense the "greenhouse effect" was, and so a few people in the media predicted an ice age, a few people in Hollywood predicted global warming (see "Soylent Green"), all from a couple of papers that essentially said "it could get warmer, it could get colder, we don't know for sure because we haven't developed any good models yet."Now, some 30 years later, we have more than 10 models that are consistent with more than 1600 years of inferred climate data as well as with each other, and every single one has successfully predicted the warming trend that we're in the middle of.The reality of the history of global warming is nothing like you describe. There was maybe one article in Newsweek that "predicted an ice age." There was no consensus on the issue, then.There is one, now, based on reams and reams of data and computation. Sure. It's all just coincidence that the Earth is warming at the exact same time that human CO2 production exceeds multiple Mt. Pinatubo eruptions every single year, and at the exact same time that the sun is in a decade-long period of cooling. That's actually not true. Bob Altemeyer has done extensive work on the right-wing authoritarian personality, and his work abundantly proves that America's right wing is typified by followers who prize obedience and strength, collectivism and national identity, and authoritarian aggression over individualism and individual conscience (which are more associated with the left.)It's not to say that you couldn't find someone who was a "left-wing authoritarian" in the United States, but it's instructive to note that while Altemeyer based his research on interviews with hundreds of persons, many of whom were identified as right-wing authoritarians, a single example of a left-wing authoritarian has never, to my knowledge, been found. I was just thinking about this today. Theoretically America's relationship with Israel is so relentlessly pro-Israel so that we can have a democratic ally in the Middle East.What, exactly, do we stand to gain by that? We're already staging our operations out of Germany, not Israel. Israel supplied absolutely zero troops in any function as part of our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.So it's not entirely clear what we gain by our support of Israel, particularly now that Iraq is practically the 51st state (containing the largest US embassy ever built). The idea that our support comes purely from the converging interests of the American Jewish Israel lobby and American Christians is not at all far-fetched, as far as I can see. There's certainly no secular justification. What cycle?

Crashfrog, I need an exact reference which verifies each part of this statement.ThanksP.S. Please make sure it is a scientific one not some media BS

Sure. And one time scholars thought the stars and planets revolved about the earth. Now they think that the earth and other planets orbit the sun.The obvious conclusion is that no one really knows whatsoever how the planets move.

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You ought to be suspended for this and not just because it's off topic

That may be what you suspect, but you are flat wrong. That's what those people are saying right now. Previously they were saying "There is NO global warming". These, incindentally, are the same people that are offering $10,000 to any climatologist who'll publish any paper disputing Global warming. That isn't a correlation. That's a list. And, honestly, it's not a very good one. Are you suggesting that the people in Red States don't have Walmarts? That the Conservatives don't have a "War policy" or aren't participating in "capitalism"? What bias? I start a thread on Creationism/Anti-Enviormentalism and you try to dispute me by naming someone who is Anti-War & wealthy. Last time I checked, neither of those are on topic.Who's got the bias here? If that was your point you failed spectacularly in your attempt to make it. Firstly, you don't want this debate to be about propaganda. Have you seen the "news reports" shot and editted by the administration? Secondly, what propaganda are you alledging that Rage Against the Machine is spreading? Maybe I'm not on the mailing list, but I haven't heard anything about the Rage Against the Machine thinktank issuing bullet points which are then parrotted on Fox News verbatim. You tell me? You're the one that brought them up, off topic. So is Canada, but we don't give them weapons and billions of dollars in aid.I'm going to take your last bit as a new post, since much of what we are discussing above is off topic.

So, you believe that human activity is contributing to Global Warming.Do you also agree that climate change could have significantly troublesome results for the US? (Drought, water levels rising, increased storm activity)

This part I agree with. It does seem like this is your fifth time thinking.Here's my initial quote: You may notice that I said, "it seems" and "I see" indicatiing that this impression is my own. That it's not based on empirical data.This is what I have noticed from the Fundamentalists that I have dealt with.It also happens to be what several other posters have noticed from the fundamentalist they have dealt with.Meanwhile, you yourself said that you haven't dealt with any fundamentalists.So, given that I am reporting my first hand experieces, that others here are reporting their first hand experiences, and, that you have claimed to have no data of your own, it begs the question -Who are you to be asking for information in the first place?If you have nothing to contribute here, go troll someplace else.