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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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From the birth of america, the propaganda of the elites has served the 1%ers well:
"the primary function of government is to protect the minority of the opulent from the majority of the poor." - James Madison Indeed, I think there are too many americans who would say the wealth distribution is not unequal enough. They believe that the 1%ers are already being too oppressed by government regulations and taxes. Their indoctrination to protect the elites is complete. They will NEVER consider any form of socialism or fair economic redistribution even when against their best interests. However, I do feel there is a threshold that eventually leads all peasants to rise against their overlords. Unfortunately, the greed of the 1%ers and the apathy of the 99%ers hasn't triggered that threshold, . . . yet. Perhaps the elites hope that cooking a frog over a long enough period, so the frog doesn't leap out of the pan, but rather, just . . . cooks . . . is true.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
STRAG writes: 1) When did this extreme level of economic disparity begin? Was it always such or are there specific historical governmental policy decisions we can attribute the current situation to? Are you asking only of american history? The american founding fathers incorporated slavery in their new system of government. Seems like that was an extreme level of economic disparity. If world history, you europeans can better present fuedal/peasant societies/histories better than us americans.
STRAG writes: 2) Right wingers like to point out statistics such as the top 10% pay 70% of total taxes. But think about this for a moment. If a single individual were given all the wealth of the nation they would pay 100% of the nations tax. Would this be a symptom of a tax system loaded against the wealthy? Or simply a result of wealth being too concentrated? I would suggest the latter... I don't see this as a pragmatic question. Are you going somewhere with this?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Coyote writes:
you didn't earn it so it has far less value than money you actually earned through your own efforts. Such bullshit! The wealthy, EARNING their wealth!??? Puhlease . . . Using unfair laws, corporate welfare, lack of regulations, lying , and stealing are the way the wealthy gain even more unfair wealth accumulation. Not 'hard work ethics': Seams the Bagladesh workers working in unsafe conditions were working very hard. Yet it is the Walmart owners who are sucking on the gravy. Do you really believe the Walmart owners work harder than the Bangladesh workers:
quote: How about unfair taxing?:
quote: You think Dick Chaney ever worked hard in his life? Well maybe if you consider lying about WMD to be hard work:
quote: What about stealing? Do you consider stealing to be HARD WORK?:
quote: And what about the industrial military complex sucking on the public's teat. america's military budget equals the rest of the world combined. Is it HARD WORK for the owners to take money for products that the public and even the military doesn't want?:
quote: How about the government pushing nearly-secret free trade agreements? Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP), will improve the wealthy's lot in life, but will hurt the 99%ers.
quote: And lastly, how about the wallstreet bailouts. Talk about criminal stealing. Or do you also think that is "hard work" to gain wealth?
quote: Coyote, if you really are against FREE handouts and unfair economic distribution, you would rally against the 1%ers getting unfair advantages over the 99%ers. Until you do, you're a hypocrite. Edited by dronester, : fixed quotes Edited by dronester, : quotes still appeared wrong Edited by dronester, : fix quotes, ONE more time.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Percy writes: Why shouldn't wages be set by the market? Because this is the market that establishes the wages:
I feel this is 'unfair.' But I guess others feel differently.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Percy writes: A farmer hires someone to help him harvest his wheat. Do you really believe that worker now has some kind of claim on a portion of the "economic benefit" of the farmer's crop? No, he does not. You may attempt to compartmentalize the argument but . . . I, and the The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, adopted by the UN General Assembly on 10 December 1948 believe the worker does have minimal claims that would affect the profitability. Though the usa has been silently backpeddling away from most of its human rights protections since it was adopted, none the less, the laws and rules ARE there. Check out Article 23, 24 and 25 below:
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0
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Percy writes: Companies and their revenues and their expenses and their debts and their profits and their losses belong to shareholders. Sorry, no. Corporations don't exist in a bubble. The workers and the rest of earth's inhabitants are partners in the stewardship of Earth's future too.
Percy writes: Pointing that out is not wrong If you mean, that this is the current global economic model that corporations practice through exploitation, safety deregulation, tax evasion, war-criminal conduct, stealing of pensions, corporate welfare, government corporatism, poisoning the environment, and outright stealing in bailouts, I guess you are correct.
Percy writes: and it's not an argument in favor of exploitation or human rights abuses. and it's not an argument AGAINST exploitation or human rights either.
Percy writes: What's wrong is arguments that the contributions a job makes to a company's balance sheet belong to some degree to the jobholder. They do not. They belong to the shareholders. Yes, I am quite sure that Walmart's owners and nearly all other corporations would argue that idea.
Percy writes: If there's nothing in an employment contract about a share of profits or revenues, then employment does not convey any sharing of them with the jobholder. Period. It seems that would be an argument for corporations to be masters of men. For me, I'd prefer Walmart to be subservient to human interests. But that's just me . . .
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Percy writes: Corporations have to follow laws and regulations and pay taxes just like everyone else, . . . Wow, you believe that do you?
quote: Percy writes: You're arguing against the principle of ownership, No, I am arguing about collective rights and responsibilities that we all share.
Percy writes: It is governments that serve the interests of the people. Corporations and people then follow the laws that were supposedly designed to serve those interests. You believe that do you? . . .
quote: Percy writes: What's that supposed to show, that people who believe in property ownership favor practices that kill people? Yeah, I guess that's what you would see.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
RAZD writes: The major problem today is wage inequality, Agreed. Not surprisingly, I haven't seen this story in america's corporate media, what do you think:
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Phat writes: but the wealthy trick the middle class What makes the middle class so easy to fool? Americans are famous for being stupid (according to the recent 2012 Program for International Student Assessment, the U.S. Students Slide In Global Ranking On Math, Reading, Science, U.S. Students Slide In Global Ranking On Math, Reading, Science : The Two-Way : NPR), but what about the Swiss?
Phat writes: The wealthy wont give up anything without pressure. Sheesh, all the Swiss had to do was vote. How difficult could that be?
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
hey there Theo,
Drone writes: What makes the middle class so easy to fool? Theo writes: Religion. Well: 1. Are the Swiss particularly religious? 2. Are people stupid because they are religious or are people religious because they are stupid? 3. What about Pope Francis' recent calling of unfettered Capitalism 'Tyranny?' Will this sway the stupid?Pope Francis Calls Unfettered Capitalism 'Tyranny' | BillMoyers.com
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Theo writes: 1. Swiss as an example is flawed. Perhaps, but in regard to their recent anti-CEO-vote, their voting behavior should be revealing in some aspect. Can we not compare/contrast them to america in ANY respect?
Theo writes: 3. Of course not. The Pope is a minor player in world society and politics. If he keeps up with the authentic Jesus-talk, perhaps that would change?
Theo writes: 2. Commission a study. It will have to wait till I finish my current study: "Was Captain Kangaroo neither a captain nor a kangaroo?"
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