Wealth Distribution in the USA

It's unlike that the wealth would ever be the same in all of the divisions and no one is suggesting that. Nor is taxation synonymous with force.The experience though is that when the disparity between the richest and poorest are minimized the standard of living goes up. This has held true in almost ever case.In addition, every management study I've ever seen has shown that money is NOT the main or best motivator for increasing productivity.

Bullshit.Taxes are no more synonymous with force than speed limits or stop signs or having to go to school. It is only the current crop of fascist Republicans that make such gross misrepresentations.Taxes are a mutually agreed upon commitment. No great loss even if that were true. Certainly there will be some low life worthless bastards that would expend their efforts in avoiding paying taxes but that would be no great loss.

Horseshit coyote.Once again you are simply showing that today's American conservatives (mostly a'cuase I consider myself a conservative) cannot be honest or even recognize reality.If we look at those nations which most Americans would describe as socialist we see success, we do not see intellect, inventiveness, creativity, production, manufacturing or any other such measure falling behind the US. In fact we see just the opposite; we see better health care, safer societies, higher standards of living, greater personal satisfaction.Robert Heinlein was a fiction writer and about like Rand as far as spouting total moronic crap.In addition, as usual, you are simply pushing bullshit no one has advocated. No one has advocated bread and circumstances, there is a real question of whether it is the rich that are the parasites or the rest of the population.Let the 1% run away. Good riddance. They are no great loss.

No one has said that people should be discouraged from earning more.If you look around the world though you will find (as I have already pointed out) that many countries generally seen as being socialist, countries where the disparity of income is far less than in the US, also have a far higher standard of living, better healthcare, seem far happier and satisfied than the US.

Certainly. In fact many of the good things about the US are the direct result of taxation. If you just want recent examples (within my lifetime) FDR, Eisenhower, Nixon, Carter all improved the quality of American life through taxation. Our highway systems, our public schools, fire, police, environmental improvements (and boy has that ever improved) were all funded thought taxation.Look at the examples coyote tried to use?Is free cheese to folk that can't afford even that an improvement in their standard of living?Is a mobile phone when you can't afford one an improvement in the standard of living?And by the way, neither of those are really an example of "Obama".Other Presidents, both Republicans and Democrats, have supported similar programs; building highways, rural electrification, rural phone service, surplus food distribution (food supplies bought using tax funds, often to prop up agribusiness).It was only with the coup that brought Reagan and the Christian Right New Speak into power that taxation became misrepresented.

Hopefully taxes will go up considerably. In particular I'd like to see the US inheritance taxes go way up.Will the populous stage a pointless and destructive revolution? Very likely. That is what ignorant or oppressed folk often do.

Again, that is simply another attempt to palm the pea, misdirect attention.There is a big difference between "earn more" and "get paid more".

Again, reread what you just posted and your preceding post; they are full of nonsense and out right contradictions.You seem to be using the same standards as the very people you are bitching about. You seem to think that you are worth more than other people who do the same work and that YOU should decide your own worth and value.So far I haven't seen anyone say anything negative about collective bargaining so why do you even bring that up?

When it comes to Safeway closing in Denver, the problem is not just bargaining units or corporate policies but also the US middle class.

Part of the problem.If Safeway closes in Colorado it will be because it is not profitable to continue operations. But who controls that? The shoppers do, the middle class. It's not the super rich that shop at Safeway, is it?And yup, you have the world you folk created. Tough. Get used to it.

Fire politicians that oppose increasing taxes in a progressive manor.Fire politicians that oppose revising the inheritance taxes to avoid the creation of a wealthied class.Fire politicians that oppose limiting corporate activities in elections, legislation or tax expenditures.Fire politicians that oppose banning corporate advocacy.These of course are all longstanding Republican positions.I thought a few comments from Republicans might help.

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"Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."

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"Now, this means that our government, national and State, must be freed from the sinister influence or control of special interests. Exactly as the special interests of cotton and slavery threatened our political integrity before the Civil War, so now the great special business interests too often control and corrupt the men and methods of government for their own profit. We must drive the special interests out of politics. That is one of our tasks to-day. Every special interest is entitled to justice -full, fair, and complete -and, now, mind you, if there were any attempt by mob-violence to plunder and work harm to the special interest, whatever it may be, and I most dislike and the wealthy man, whomsoever he may be, for whom I have the greatest contempt, I would fight for him, and you would if you were worth your salt. He should have justice. For every special interest is entitled to justice, but not one is entitled to a vote in Congress, to a voice on the bench, or to representation in any public office. The Constitution guarantees protections to property, and we must make that promise good But it does not give the right of suffrage to any corporation. The true friend of property, the true conservative, is he who insists that property shall be the servant and not the master of the commonwealth; who insists that the creature of man's making shall be the servant and not the master of the man who made it. The citizens of the United States must effectively control the mighty commercial forces which they have themselves called into being."

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"There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains. To put an end to it will be neither a short nor an easy task, but it can be done."

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"We must have complete and effective publicity of corporate affairs, so that people may know beyond peradventure whether the corporations obey the law and whether their management entitles them to the confidence of the public. It is necessary that laws should be passed to prohibit the use of corporate funds directly or indirectly for political purposes; it is still more necessary that such laws should be thoroughly enforced. Corporate expenditures for political purposes, and specially such expenditures by public-service corporations, have supplied one of the principal sources of corruption in our political affairs."

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Theodore Roosevelt

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If they are willfully ignorant then they will get the society they make.Learn or suffer.It really is that simple.Spiritual wars are simply silly and a total waste of everyone's time.

Are they mutually exclusive? Perhaps we can do both.

If I had spare I would gladly do that.AbE:And of course, your response has nothing to do with the questions I asked.Edited by jar, : see AbE:

But we may have far more than enough money. For example, there's far more than enough money to wipe out polio world-wide. Money is not the problem, politics are the problem there.Obviously we should try to do those things that will provide the greatest return but trying to frame the issue with sophomoric examples and false dichotomies does nothing productive.The issue and topic are about wealth distribution in the US.Polio is not an issue in the US and totally unrelated to the topic.