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Author Topic:   Discrimination ok, if based on religion? what else then?
Wounded King
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Message 11 of 248 (379783)
01-25-2007 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by anastasia
01-25-2007 12:57 PM


Re: Discrimination or inclusion?
I say if you want seperation of church and state, be honest about it.
Well given that in the UK the head of the state is also the head of the Church of England, i.e. the Queen, this argument seems pretty irrelevant.
That aside, if the church is offering a public service also offered by the state and not of a strictly religious nature and their operation of that service is seen as compromising the welfare of the children they are looking after then doesn't the state have a responsibility to ensure the best welfare for the child that they can. Exactly what represents the best welfare may be debatable but once the government has made a decision on it they have an onus to ensure it is upheld.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 50 of 248 (380016)
01-26-2007 4:35 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by anastasia
01-25-2007 3:28 PM


Re: Discrimination or inclusion?
It wasn't a question of Anglican or Catholic, it was that you were putting this forward as an issue of the seperation of church and state, which is not in any way a constitutional element of the British state.
The UK certainly doesn't have any jurisdiction over US catholics so I don't really see how a problem related to new UK laws is going to extend as anything other than an argument and people can argue as much as they want without violating any separation of church and state.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 68 of 248 (380216)
01-26-2007 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by anastasia
01-26-2007 5:32 PM


Re: Discrimination or inclusion?
Why discriminate against anyone?
You tell us, you are the one advocating that the catholic adoption agencies be allowed to discriminate solely on the basis of a couple being gay.
It isn't discrimination to require the catholic agencies to abide by the same laws that all the other agencies have to.
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 238 of 248 (383434)
02-08-2007 5:42 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by happy_atheist
02-08-2007 5:08 AM


Re: The issue is public interest
If a person who works as a doctor was just walking down the street he would have no responsibility to help a black person he saw in need of medical treatment because he isn't a doctor, he is just a person walking down the street. When he takes on the role of a doctor he has to fulfill it.
I really disagree with this view and thankfully so does the General Medical Council in the UK (Sheperd et al., 2006).
There are, however, moral and professional obligations for all doctors to act as Good Samaritans. The Hippocratic Oath states that a doctor has a special obligation to all fellow human beings and, in addition to the personal application of that broad principle, the General Medical Council enforce adherence to the ”Good Medical Practice’ guidelines. In particular, paragraph 9 states that: ”in an emergency, wherever it may arise, you must offer anyone at risk the assistance you could reasonably be expected to provide.’5 A doctor failing to volunteer his/her services in a medical emergency, without exceptional circumstances, risks losing their registration as a practising professional, although we are not aware of this happening in the UK.
A person doesn't stop being a doctor simply because they are not on call or at work.
There may be no legal obligation on them because of their status but their is a professional and ethical obligation precisely because they are doctors and not 'Joe public'. You take on the role of a doctor by gaining an MD and being, in the UK at least, registered with the GMC not by going to work.
TTFN,
WK
Edited by Wounded King, : Added link to GMC guidelines

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