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Author Topic:   Connecticut abolishes the Death penalty
xongsmith
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Message 33 of 205 (660715)
04-28-2012 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by onifre
04-28-2012 5:37 PM


Frankly, IMNSHO, Dahmer got what was coming. And the child rapers. There is a certain code in the prison, similar to the job questionnaire asking of the applicant's drug experience: Alcohol, check. Marijuana, check. Acid, check. Cocaine, check. Amphetamines, check. Heroin, check. Sniffing glue - WHAT? Sniffing glue? NO WAY! - only an idiot would sniff glue! A lifetime sentence for a prisoner is fraught with these sorts of relative moralities. For the believers, they can rest in solace, knowing what will happen to the lifers who really were the most heinous. And they could be argued to rest in solace about what would happen to the innocent. I suppose this is similar to the bizarre notion of throwing a grenade into a room of battling soldiers, exclaiming loudly "God will sort them out!"
Let them all gnaw on Dahmer's thawed-out fingers......*urp*
Edited by xongsmith, : my bracket-slash-"oni"- bracket did not show up as advertized in the preview

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xongsmith
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Message 144 of 205 (661031)
05-01-2012 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Straggler
05-01-2012 11:26 AM


Re: Defence
Straggler grumbles:
For spell checker reasons I have had to resort to using the "s" version of "defense". It's really annoying me....
defence: when the legal enforcement team successfully pulls off a sting operation at the point of a live transaction of stolen goods for small unmarked bills, returning the stolen goods to their rightful owner. Furthermore, when one member of the team, who lives right next door to another member of the same team, then goes home and removes the posts & rails between them....and then, retiring to his bedroom, in candlelight to read again some more Robert Frost.

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xongsmith
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Message 188 of 205 (662523)
05-16-2012 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by onifre
05-16-2012 6:21 AM


Onifre (quoting Granny in the inner box) writes:
Granny writes:
By not routinely arming cops, by not allowing citizens to own handguns and by not having capital punishment, we minimise the loss of innocent lives.
Yeah, I agree with that. But again, who gives a shit? All of those systems are in place and operate in America. My point in this thread has always been that it's inconsistent to select one of those systems to oppose while at the same time supporting two of the other ones.
You can read back to the beginning, people opposed to the death penalty but for armed cops. People against the death penalty but support the ownership of guns by citizens. It is inconsistent to say the least.
And later Onifre adds:
If I got shot by a beat cop, I do not feel cops should stop carrying guns. If I was shot by a civilian I do not think all civilians should stop carrying guns. And as ridiculous as the scenario sounds, if I was wrongfully executed I do not think all death penalties should stop. I still find reasons to keep all of these systems functioning regardless of their flaws.
If we divide the innocent deaths problem like this, then we can treat each subproblem with a separate solution. The first problem is solved by arming cops with non-lethal "bullets", a technology problem that may be possible soon. The second problem is most likely intractable because the citizens will always need a way to revolt against their government - we have to live with it. The third problem is the one most easily solved: just stop doing it.
Just because two of the problems cannot be solved easily, doesn't mean that the one of them that is easy to solve shouldn't solved. One size (living with it) does not fit all.
In conjunction with the 1st problem, there is also the High-Speed Chase problem which may result in collateral damages and death to innocents - this may also be replaced with a technological solution of corralling the suspect more gently.
The second problem may be approached in the manner of the old Western saloon, where you check your guns at the door before you are allowed inside. Certain inner city areas could be declared a saloon in this manner. Does this still maintain the citizenry's ability to revolt (provided they haven't already lost this ability*)?
So, yeah, I give a shit.
* IMHO it's too late - "they" have nuclear weapons, tanks & missiles
Edited by xongsmith, : The agony of clone-drop in the wrong place.

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Message 205 of 205 (665094)
06-07-2012 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by ramoss
06-07-2012 6:28 PM


Ramoss writes:
it is actually a prohibition against excessive.. it would be better translated at 'no more than an eye for an eye, and no more than a tooth for a tooth
Interesting to recall this Bob Dylan verse here:
"Took an untrodden path once, where the swift don't win the race,
It goes to the worthy, who can divide the word of truth.
Took a stranger to teach me, to look into justice's beautiful face
And to see an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.
I and I
In creation where one's nature neither honors nor forgives.
I and I
One says to the other, no man sees my face and lives."

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