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Heathen
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Message 1 of 205 (660454)
04-26-2012 4:29 AM


"Connecticut has become the 17th state in the US to abolish the death penalty.
Governor Dannel Malloy signed a bill in a low-key ceremony, after legislators voted earlier in April to end capital punishment for all future cases."
Connecticut abolishes the death penalty - BBC News
Personally I was a little shocked to see that Connecticut is only the 17th State to do this...
(Also, I've never noticed the silent 'c' in Connecticut before.. not sure I've ever had reason to type it before now.)
Do pro-death penalty folk believe that there will now be a surge in murder cases without this supposed "deterrent" in place?
Historically, has the abolition of the death penalty had any effect on murder/violent crime rates anywhere?

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Heathen
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Message 6 of 205 (660463)
04-26-2012 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by caffeine
04-26-2012 7:29 AM


Looking at the UN member states, a little over half still have the death penalty as a legal punishment, even if they don't all use it in practice
Ireland, My home country, Had the death penalty on the statutes right up until 1990, but in reality it was never used with the last execution in 1954. It was finally removed from the constitution in 2002. It cannot be reintroduced.
I guess there are many countries where this happens, i.e. it's still available as a punishment, but rarely, if ever used.
Capital punishment in Ireland - Wikipedia

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Heathen
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Message 8 of 205 (660477)
04-26-2012 9:21 AM
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04-26-2012 8:08 AM


Of course, the proponents of the death penalty will recognise the danger here, and fight any such thinking, claiming that a liberal agenda is seeking to influence their children's minds, but hey, it's good to dream
I was kinda fishing for a pro-deather to explain why they think abolition of the death penalty is a bad thing.

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Message 13 of 205 (660558)
04-27-2012 3:21 AM
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04-26-2012 2:04 PM


Exodus 23:25 would seem to give biblical justification..
"then thou shalt give life for life, 24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. "

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Heathen
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Message 183 of 205 (662355)
05-15-2012 2:02 AM


On the subject of Innocents being executed:
The wrong Carlos: how Texas sent an innocent man to his death | Capital punishment | The Guardian
"Carlos DeLuna was arrested, aged 20, on 4 February 1983 for the brutal murder of a young woman, Wanda Lopez. She had been stabbed once through the left breast with an 8in lock-blade buck knife which had cut an artery causing her to bleed to death.
From the moment of his arrest until the day of his death by lethal injection six years later, DeLuna consistently protested he was innocent. He went further — he said that though he hadn't committed the murder, he knew who had. He even named the culprit: a notoriously violent criminal called Carlos Hernandez."

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Heathen
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Message 186 of 205 (662498)
05-16-2012 7:40 AM
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05-15-2012 10:57 AM


Starting in 2004, they meticulously chased down every possible lead in the case,
...
What they discovered stunned even Liebman, who, as an expert in America's use of capital punishment,
was well versed in its flaws. "It was a house of cards. We found that everything that could go wrong
did go wrong," he says.
...
DeLuna told the jury that he saw Hernandez inside the Shamrock wrestling with a woman behind the counter...
But the prosecutors ...concluded that Hernandez was a fabrication.
...
By the end of that single day the investigator had uncovered evidence that had eluded scores of Texan
police officers, prosecutors, defense lawyers and judges over the six years between DeLuna's arrest and
execution. Carlos Hernandez did indeed exist.
...
In October 1989, just two months before DeLuna was executed, Hernandez was setenced to 10 years'
imprisonment for attempting to kill with a knife another woman called Dina Ybanez...
Yet this was the same Carlos Hernandez who prosecutors told the jury did not exist.
This was the figment of Carlos DeLuna's imagination.
...
Many other glaring discrepancies also stand out in the DeLuna case. He was put on death
row largely on the eyewitness testimony of one man,
Fingerprinting was so badly handled that no useable fingerprints were taken. None of the items
found on the floor of the Shamrock — a cigarette stub, chewing gum, a button, comb and beer cans
— were forensically examined for saliva or blood.
Even the murder weapon, the knife, was not properly examined, though it was covered in blood and flesh.
...
The exceptionally lax treatment of evidence continued even beyond the grave. When Liebman asked to
see all the stored evidence in the case, so that he could subject it to the DNA testing that was not
available to investigators in 1983, he was told that it had all disappeared.
OMG! Stop everything! it seems there was little, if any, evidence to tie De Luna to the crime.
Now he's dead.

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