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Clark
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Message 208 of 318 (228373)
08-01-2005 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by randman
08-01-2005 2:40 AM


ID is Political
This isn't peer-reviewed, but I think it should suffice for showing Intelligent Design Creationism as a political movement.
Straight from the horse's mouth, the Wedge Document:
http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html
quote:
Governing Goals
* To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
Among many, many other items that seem to indicate the political nature of Intelligent Design Creationism.

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Clark
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Message 210 of 318 (228388)
08-01-2005 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by CK
08-01-2005 9:09 AM


Re: ID is Political
IOW, not science, pseudoscience. Hasn't Faith made similar statements?

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Clark
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Message 218 of 318 (228446)
08-01-2005 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Faith
08-01-2005 11:30 AM


Belief First is Pseudoscience
UNLESS... it is in fact TRUE that no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record.
And it is.
UNLESS you can back that up with evidence, though, it is your belief and still not science.
And some day you'll know it.
Well, if you are talking about YEC, I would be quite shocked to learn it is true. The evidence with which I'm familiar is contradictory. If my assessment is wrong, I look forward to being corrected. I'm open to learning new things.
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Clark
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Message 237 of 318 (228503)
08-01-2005 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by randman
08-01-2005 12:45 PM


Re: ID is Political
I'm willing to bet that all organizations that advocate YEC or IDC are political and/or religious* and thus not scientific in nature. I don't have peer-review to back me up but you could prove me wrong by showing one, if I am wrong it should be quite easy.
And in the same vein, I can show you plenty of organizations that are neither political nor religious concerning the TOE.
Is that a fair test?
*Note, when I say religious, I only mean that you need to make a statement of belief to participate. Like Charles K demonstrated previously.
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Clark
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Message 242 of 318 (228519)
08-01-2005 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by randman
08-01-2005 2:03 PM


Re: ID is Political
take the Discovery Institute. You don't have to make a statement of faith to be a fellow there, to my knowledge.
I agree. I don't think you have to make a faith statement to be a fellow at the Discovery Institute, but the Wedge document which I presented previously clearly demonstrates that the organization is political.
quote:
all organizations that advocate YEC or IDC are political and/or religious* and thus not scientific in nature.
still stands.
The concept of a Designer is not excluded a priori. Miracles and supernatural beings are excluded only because they don't leave evidence.
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