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NoNukes
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Message 35 of 76 (609939)
03-24-2011 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by slevesque
03-24-2011 3:31 PM


Re: Homeschooling conventions
slevesque writes:
ringo writes:
Homeschoolers can learn to fake it instead of learning science.
You think that learning the mechanism of evolution, without accepting that this can produce the diversity in life we see is ''faking it'' ? So learning about something, without believing it, is faking it ?
I have to agree with you here. The theory of evolution is not so difficult that it cannot be understood without believing in it. I can imagine test questions that might require a disbeliever in the ToE to lie, but I doubt that such questions would be used on a test. IMO such questions would have constitutional problems.
slevesque writes:
And when I study my physics classes at university (which is science), am I ''faking it'' because I think the ToE is false ?
Learning undergraduate physics does not require a scientific method loyalty oath, but learning undergraduate physics does not make you a scientist.
If you continue your studies beyond the undergraduate level and actually become a physicist, you may have some cognitive dissonance about the scientific method. Perhaps that will involve "faking it" in some sense.
But your disbelief of the theory of evolution probably won't be front and center because you probably won't have to confront biological evidence in your physics studies.

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NoNukes
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Message 54 of 76 (609979)
03-25-2011 8:24 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by slevesque
03-24-2011 11:33 PM


Re: Homeschooling conventions
slevesque writes:
I see nothing 'unscientific' about someone not adhering to a theory. Of course, this person must also have valid reasons and evidence to back-up his disbelief, which I think I have.
There is nothing wrong with skepticism about established theories, but you aren't merely skeptical about the theory of evolution. Evidence that would persuade any scientist won't convince you. Can you even conceive of evidence that might convince you that does not require time travel? That's not scientific.
It seems to me that your reasons for rejecting the theory of evolution include your religious beliefs. In my opinion, that would be a handicap for a biologist. There might be subjects in physics that will be similarly problematic for you.

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NoNukes
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Message 64 of 76 (610029)
03-25-2011 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by jar
03-25-2011 9:53 AM


Re: Slev will not be a creationist very long
Has Slevesque ever claimed to be YEC?

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NoNukes
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Message 69 of 76 (610041)
03-25-2011 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by PaulK
03-25-2011 6:19 PM


Re: Slev will not be a creationist very long
PaulK writes:
He claims that the evidence favours a young Earth, so yes, he is quite definitely a YEC and far more familiar with YEC propaganda than the evidence.
Interesting.
I think some YEC apologetics about the evidence are pretty difficult to maintain even while taking a physics undergraduate curriculum. It will be harder to believe nonsense about the second law of thermodynamics after learning the real thing, more difficult to swallow nonsense about radiometric dating after taking course work in atomic physics and quantum mechanics. But most of all, it will be harder to believe that real physicists are liars and/or fools after spending considerable time among them and the evidence.
Of course that will may simple lead to an understanding that the evidence does not support a young earth. It might take more to actual change belief in YEC.

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NoNukes
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Message 72 of 76 (610056)
03-25-2011 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by ringo
03-25-2011 9:08 PM


Re: Scientific Aspirations
ringo writes:
Homeschooling can avoid real science up to the high school level but no post-secondary education is going to support creationism.
I don't believe this to be correct. Most college graduates in the US took their last biology class in the high school and have avoided taking any college level science courses that deal with cosmology or any other origins topic in any serious way. It's even easier to avoid real science in college than it is in high school.

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