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Dr Adequate
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Message 74 of 122 (601606)
01-21-2011 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by subbie
01-19-2011 10:27 PM


The ToE is exactly as important to atheism as are astronomy, geology, medicine, seismology, meteorology, psychiatry, and any other science that explained phenomena that were attributed to gods.
I guess the difference is that while you can imagine anthropomorphic reasons for earthquakes or lightning, there's no particular reason why anyone should except a general human tendency to be dumb; whereas adaptation does look superficially like the sort of thing a mind like our own might have thought up.

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Message 76 of 122 (601608)
01-22-2011 12:13 AM
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01-22-2011 12:01 AM


Sorry, not following you. Can you expand or clarify?
The adaptation of species to their environment does at least look as though an intelligence designed them to fit their environment; whereas although you can always imagine a thunder-god being responsible for the lightning, it doesn't particularly look as though it's intelligently directed --- lightning does not, for example, exclusively smite sinners, or we might begin to wonder if it was intelligently directed.
So although it was always possible to proffer "goddidit" as an explanation for anything you didn't understand, only adaptation seemed to require such an explanation. In that case the supposition of an intelligent motivating force was not merely an argument from ignorance --- it was, at the very least, an argument from analogy.
So although people did ascribe all sorts of natural phenomena to the gods, there was this one case --- adaptation --- where doing so was not completely arbitrary and stupid. And then along came Darwin and Wallace with a better explanation, and suddenly the only remotely good reason (from a scientific standpoint) for believing in an invisible anthropomorphic entity was without merit.

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Message 86 of 122 (601736)
01-23-2011 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by petrophysics1
01-23-2011 3:35 PM


You What?
Your point is ... obscure.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 99 of 122 (601763)
01-23-2011 10:52 PM
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01-23-2011 8:41 PM


Re: You What?
Only if you can't answer the three questions I asked.
Which you didn't do. In fact they never even occured to you.
It took me 17 years to be able to remember being born, you never even thought about it.
Answer the three questions I asked or shut up.
If you can answer them you are close to understanding that God exists.
If you can't and don't look you are a person who doesn't know shit about themselves or God.
So stop posting like you know something.
As a matter of fact, I posted as though I didn't know something, namely what your point is.
I still don't.

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Message 109 of 122 (601944)
01-25-2011 5:16 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Blue Jay
01-24-2011 5:13 PM


Surely that first replicator descended from a system of molecules that had been changing slowly over time and passing through a selective filter, conceptually similar to evolution, right?
But how can this "filter" be "selective" if it is not acting on replicators?
How would we make this concept meaningful? Would you say that salt crystals are cubic in habit because they have passed through a selective filter?

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Message 111 of 122 (601947)
01-25-2011 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ApostateAbe
01-19-2011 7:37 PM


Before Darwin, there was no very good way to explain life except with the gods.
Well, there were ways. They weren't "very" good, but they were as good as goddidit, and indeed they were slightly better in that they explained how life was cruel and how life was inferior to a perfect design.
Darwinism was superior in that it had predictive/explanatory power. It explained so much more than either theist or atheist explanations up to that point.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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