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Tram law
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Message 14 of 139 (581137)
09-13-2010 10:50 PM



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Tram law
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Message 19 of 139 (581147)
09-14-2010 12:06 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Buzsaw
09-13-2010 11:03 PM


1. There are former theists here who have converted to athiesm, contrary to the video.
You'd have to ask them. Also keep in mind theists have also converted to atheism. You'd have to ask them why too. Each of us has our own different reasons for our beliefs. It's best not to generalize in to a one lump sum fits all.
2. Your video athiests would require specific dates for fulfillment of prophecy. Why? What's wrong with specific events or specific evidence verifying fulfillment; evidence, that is, like things naturally impossible, such as techy stuff na'er thought possible becoming reality and a nation of people scattered globally to return to their native nation after dispersion of nineteen centuries, etc?
Because prophecy is extremely vague and one can infer many meanings from such vagueness. In short, because of its vagueness, prophecy can be made to fit just about any condition you want. So, like many Bible versus, they can be made to fit what a person wants it to fit,and voila! A prophecy is fulfilled. This kind of precision gets rid of that vagueness.
I also like this quote from Babylon 5:
Prophecy is a guess that comes true. When it doesn't, it's a metaphor. You could put a gun to your head tomorrow and pull the trigger, and then the dream is just a dream, and the prophecy is just a metaphor, and so are you.
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Tram law
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Message 81 of 139 (583075)
09-24-2010 2:08 PM


If god meant for us to have firearms we'd be able to fire bullets out our fingers.
That would be empirical evidence God exists.
A more serious question arises about empirical evidence though.
If there was empirical evidence to show that God actually exists, would you guys become a Christian and worship God?
If the answer is no, then what is the point to demanding empirical evidence?
Be cause it seems to me that since there is absolutely no way in hell that you guys (those who won't worship God with the existence of empirical evidence), then the point is irrelevant.
And I really don't get this either. If there is empirical evidence to show that God exists and he should be worshiped, then according to the rules you are claiming, you should change your minds and hearts and bow down to God.
After all, isn't this the same thing you are demanding of theists? That since there is no empirical evidence then they are required to admit there is God and they should stop worshiping him?

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Tram law
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Message 115 of 139 (583358)
09-26-2010 2:11 PM
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09-26-2010 1:23 PM


Re: Simple really...
You seem overly skeptical: he walks on water, turns water into wine, raises people from the dead and you'd still be inclined to suppose that he might not have created you to function in the fashion you find yourself functioning in?
Prove it.
Don't just claim it.
Don't just turn to a book of claims.
Prove it.
Prove he exists and all those things are true.
Don't just argue about it.

PROVE IT.

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Tram law
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Message 120 of 139 (583400)
09-26-2010 9:00 PM


My question has never really been answered. Now it's somewhat modified.
If there is enough evidence to show that God exists and he indeed created the universe and everything, and that he is the Judeo-Christian God, and you still won't worship him....

THEN WHAT IS THE POINT OF DEMANDING EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO PROVE HIS EXISTENCE?
They may be different things, but they do go hand in hand. It seems to me that mere existence of a powerful being calling itself God might not be enough to worship him, but I think that with an abundance of empirical evidence that actually showed he truly did create every single thing in the entire universe including the entire universe, should be enough to convince an atheist to convert.
I don't get this. If there is nothing that you'll accept that'll convince you to convert and worship, then you should stop asking for the evidence and let other people live their own lives.
Many atheists never directly answer this question.
For myself this would be enough for me to convert and worship him.
Unless the things in the Bible are absolutely true as well. because if they were true, he's committed many crimes against humanity that he needs to answer for, and those crimes prove he is a psychopath because of his demand that we should worship him or else we'll be punished.

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