Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9164 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,912 Year: 4,169/9,624 Month: 1,040/974 Week: 367/286 Day: 10/13 Hour: 1/1


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Define literal vs non-literal.
ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.7


Message 86 of 271 (550324)
03-14-2010 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Peg
03-14-2010 4:27 PM


Re: Creative Writing
Hi Peg,
Peg writes:
the problem here is that there is nothing in the text about how the sundial was interpreted...you are simply assuming that they counted it as 24hours. The writings of the hebrews shows how the day was divided up much differently and nowhere are hours mentioned.
You are absolutely correct that God did not say a day consisted of 24 hours. That is a concept of man that he determined by the rotation of the earth in relation to the sun.
Moses writes:
1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
God did call a light portion day.
God did call a dark portion night.
God did say the evening which means the light period expired.
AND
The following morning when the dark period expired was the first day.
God then did some work during the light period and evening came with darkness which ended with the light of the morning which God called the second day.
Now when man came up with his concept of time he could have used the number of 24,000,000 to represent how long the light period and the dark period lasted. He could have then called them years but he didn't. He could have called them hours, minutes seconds or he could have decided to break down the light period and the dark period God called the second day as 24 hours made up of 1440 minutes made up of 86,400 seconds.
Which man did.
God is not concerned with time only man needs time to measure duration.
God is existence and is not bound by time.
You can not make the light period and dark period any longer than they are. You can change the numbers all you want to represent anything you want but the duration of the rotation of the earth is very close to the same all the time, it just gets a little ABE (longer) as the earth slows down.
The only way you can get a long period of time is to have an extended light period that ended with the evening found in
Genesis 1:5.
God Bless,
Edited by ICANT, : to correct shorter to longer

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 84 by Peg, posted 03-14-2010 4:27 PM Peg has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 118 by Dr Adequate, posted 03-16-2010 6:09 AM ICANT has replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.7


Message 120 of 271 (550548)
03-16-2010 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Dr Adequate
03-16-2010 6:09 AM


Re: * coughs gently *
Hi Doc,
Thanks for reading my post seems you are the only one that did. Thanks for the correction. I am getting too old to try to do anything in a hurry.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 118 by Dr Adequate, posted 03-16-2010 6:09 AM Dr Adequate has not replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.7


Message 121 of 271 (550550)
03-16-2010 9:26 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Peg
03-14-2010 5:23 PM


Re: Biblical absurdities
Hi Peg,
Peg writes:
You cant explain where the other 12 hours go to.
They exist between the morning and the evening that is necessary for you to have evening and morning.
You can not have an evening that you did not first have a morning.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 87 by Peg, posted 03-14-2010 5:23 PM Peg has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 123 by Peg, posted 03-16-2010 2:57 PM ICANT has not replied
 Message 136 by greyseal, posted 03-18-2010 4:39 AM ICANT has replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.7


(1)
Message 122 of 271 (550556)
03-16-2010 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by purpledawn
03-14-2010 7:55 PM


Re: Rules of Interpretation
Hi PD,
purpledawn writes:
So what religious doctrine needs yom in Genesis 1:5 to mean something longer than a normal day?
No doctrine of the Bible.
It is required by those who believe in the day age hypothesis of creation. You must have time periods equal to hundreds of thousand of years to get enough time for the correct age of the earth.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 88 by purpledawn, posted 03-14-2010 7:55 PM purpledawn has seen this message but not replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.7


Message 138 of 271 (550795)
03-18-2010 11:27 AM
Reply to: Message 136 by greyseal
03-18-2010 4:39 AM


Re: Biblical absurdities
Hi greyseal,
greyseal writes:
woah, wait, no - when god created the heaven and the earth, and divided the waters from the waters, and the light from the dark, that was the evening and the morning of the first day. That first day - which starts with the evening remember - did NOT have a morning before
When was this waters created?
When was the land created that appeared when the waters was gathered into one place?
The earth existed prior to Genesis 1:2.
It was evening at Genesis 1:2.
So when was the earth created?
How can you have an evening without a morning?
God Bless,
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein.
AdminPD
Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 136 by greyseal, posted 03-18-2010 4:39 AM greyseal has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 139 by Theodoric, posted 03-18-2010 11:58 AM ICANT has replied

ICANT
Member
Posts: 6769
From: SSC
Joined: 03-12-2007
Member Rating: 1.7


Message 140 of 271 (550810)
03-18-2010 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by Theodoric
03-18-2010 11:58 AM


Re: Biblical absurdities
Hi Theodoric,
Theodoric writes:
I mean is it really that hard to conceive that the day began in darkness.
It is completely inconceviable that the universe came into existence in total darkness.
Especially if it was the millions of degrees Kevin that is put forth by science..
I think that would have been a light period that was very long before it became dark. But I could be mistaken.
The universe did not begin to exist in Genesis 1:2 which according to the Bible was a few thousand years ago..
The universe began to exist in Genesis 1:1 which there is not a stated time for the beginning to exist other than it began to exist in the beginning.
God Bless,
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein.
AdminPD
Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

This message is a reply to:
 Message 139 by Theodoric, posted 03-18-2010 11:58 AM Theodoric has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 141 by New Cat's Eye, posted 03-18-2010 1:20 PM ICANT has not replied
 Message 142 by Theodoric, posted 03-18-2010 4:17 PM ICANT has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024