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What gives God the right to be "holy"?

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Teapots&unicorns
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11-28-2009 3:14 PM 		Reply to: Message 44 by iano
11-28-2009 2:59 PM

Hi iano,
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Even if it didn't seem reasonable to me, so what: God is just the way God is and there is little pointing turning ourselves in 'why' he is the way he is.
Well if you don't know "why" he is that way, why would you want to emulate him?
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I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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11-28-2009 7:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 47 by iano
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Because he's great! Kind, gentle, patient, loving, considerate...
How do you know that that is a 'great' thing?
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Message 102 of 138 (537757)
11-30-2009 6:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 100 by iano
11-30-2009 6:10 PM

The torment I had in mind in my post had more to do with losing beneficial aspects we currently enjoy due to our being made in Gods image and likeness. No God for eternity? Then no image of God in which you were made - for eternity. And that will be a torment. Something chosen for by those who will occupy Hell.
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So 'God's image' is not eternal?
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11-30-2009 7:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 103 by iano
11-30-2009 7:13 PM

So 'God's image' is not eternal?[/qs] In the sense of our being made in it? Not necessarily.
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If you're supposing that because an object shaped in a particular image is altered, then the object on which is is based must also alter - then I'd question your reasoning.[/qs] So then the soul does not have to suffer forever?
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Why, iano- you've given the point to me!
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11-30-2009 7:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 106 by iano
11-30-2009 7:50 PM

How do you figure that? That it doesn't conform to the image of God any longer doesn't mean it ceases to exist.
It doesn't mean that it has to continue existing either.
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We're good (in so far as the image of God in which we are made, influences our actions). We're also evil (in so far as the image of God in which we are made, doesn't influence our actions). Remove the image of God bit and you're left with...?
So any 'good' atheists are only doing so by will of God?
So any 'bad' Christians actually aren't such?
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Why can't God just allow us to cease existing? You have not answered this iano. Only a sadistic and cruel god would allow people to suffer when it is not necessary. The only way I can see out of this conclusion would be if God allowed those in your 'hell' to repent. (In that case, what would the point of being a Christian be, though? :confused
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11-30-2009 8:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 108 by hooah212002
11-30-2009 8:00 PM

Re: Possibly off topic........(sorry)
This seems to me to be the only thing the many christians on here agree on: that there are many christians who only claim to be as such, but aren't really christians. Great, isn't it? Dilemma: which ones are we suppose to believe?
You forget; we have to take it on 'faith.'
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