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Author Topic:   Why do Creationists have faith in a second rate creator?
Iblis
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Message 73 of 82 (537018)
11-26-2009 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by RickJB
11-26-2009 9:03 AM


apples and orange cones
Concepts of deity which are emergent are vastly more useful than those which are fabricated, because they have recursive information depth.
Purpledawn's gods evolved; JumpedUpChimpanzee's are designed.

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Iblis
Member (Idle past 3926 days)
Posts: 663
Joined: 11-17-2005


Message 76 of 82 (537023)
11-26-2009 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
11-26-2009 9:59 AM


Re: apples and orange cones
People believe in the gods that have evolved with their culture because those gods fit properly into a place in their mind where such things exist. Your thesis is that the place itself is invalid, but the arguments you offer are variations that haven't shown themselves to fit as well.
You lay them out in a proper evolutionary chain as "improvements" on Jove/Jehovah, but your chain starts now and leads into the future. The sort of people who believe in literal gods don't live in the future yet. And when they get there, it won't be your variations that they believe in, because you have no intention of doing the work necessary to shape a closed culture over time to become a suitable receptacle for the ideals you propose.
You aren't going to get an answer you can understand about why people believe in something until you make a depth study of what they believe and have believed over long periods of time. Let me ask you this: why do you act just like them? I mean you, not the real scientists in the forum. You, specifically, act like this is a team sport or military action and they are the other side, and therefore everything they do or say is categorically wrong without even bothering to study the question and think for yourself.
Furthermore, anyone who disagrees with you must be one of them! There's no middle ground, everything is black and white and you don't have anything to learn. This is classic fundamentalist behavior. In sociological terms, you are using them as a scapegoat to reinforce your denial, everything you hate in them is readily apparent in you except the specific details.

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Iblis
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Message 79 of 82 (537036)
11-26-2009 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
11-26-2009 10:41 AM


Re: apples and orange cones
If nobody has an opinion that relates directly to the question I raised
Almost everyone who has posted in this thread, and particularly the ones you have argued with the hardest, have offered opinions that relate directly to the question you asked.
The reason you can't see that is the same reason a creationist in a begging-the-question thread can't see the relevance of the corrections to their misunderstandings that they are getting sprayed with by both sides in an attempt to shape them up. They have fixed ideas. You have fixed ideas. Understand why you have them, and you will understand why they have them.

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