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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 1 of 6 (535841)
11-18-2009 11:09 AM


I’m talking about God, of course.
Why do so many creationists latch on to God as being the creator of the universe, claiming he is the perfect, ultimate, highest form of being?
There are an infinite number of other creators that are better than God. Therefore, it does not make any sense to claim that God is the ultimate being that created the universe.
Obviously, I don’t have time to list the infinite number of better creators, so I will give just a few examples:
Omagad — he did absolutely everything that God did, except he was able to create the Earth in only 4 days, not 6.
Lordilordi — he did absolutely everything that God and Omagad did, except he was able to create the Earth in only 2 days. And he didn’t even need a rest afterwards.
Halleebaluya — did absolutely everything that Omagad did, except he was able to sort out certain miscreants by reasoning with them in a civilised manner, rather than commit acts of genocide.
Wotalototoss — did absolutely everything that Halleebaluya did, except he made it clear that, not only was it was never acceptable to rape homosexuals, it was also never acceptable to rape women.
Sensatlast — he did everything that Wotalototoss did, except he had a son or daughter born into every generation, so that his existence was clear and indisputable to everyone and there would never be any more time wasted in arguments.
Betasense — he did everything that Sensatlast did, except he also had his angels flying around constantly, just to be doubly sure the message got through. It also had the unexpected benefit of helping the angels lose weight.
Morthansense — the weight loss benefit was not unexpected to him, he KNEW it would happen. It was a deliberate part of his plan.
You get the general idea. And these are just the ones that are only just a tiny bit better than God. There’s an infinite number of others, like Huf, who are so much better they make all these look ridiculous.
So, how can God be seriously considered as candidate for the perfect, ultimate being that created the Universe!
Edited by Jumped Up Chimpanzee, : Better expression!
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11-20-2009 7:50 AM
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11-18-2009 11:09 AM


The supporting arguments for God's imperfection and for creators better than God are too brief and too weak. If you decide to modify your opening post then post a short note here when you're done and I'll take another look.

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11-20-2009 9:40 AM
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POST MODIFIED
Hi Percy
Sorry my original post was too brief. I've modified my post by inserting a lot of examples. I hope this is sufficient!

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11-20-2009 10:13 AM
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Re: POST MODIFIED
Well now I see a different problem - I assumed Huf was a God of antiquity that I hadn't heard of, but now it appears you're just making gods up. Is your point that not only is God made up, but its possible to make up even better Gods? That doesn't seem like enough for a discussion thread. Maybe you'd like a thread discussing whether God is real or a product of human imagination?

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11-20-2009 11:35 AM
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Re: POST MODIFIED
I assumed Huf was a God of antiquity that I hadn't heard of, now it appears you're just making gods up
Making gods up!!! Whoever heard of such a thing?
You seem to imply that there is something wrong with my list of creators, that they are unequal to the "gods of antiquity". How can they be considered unequal if they are closer to being perfect?
The point I am making is that it is so easy to make up a creator that is better than the "gods of antiquity" that it means that any "god of antiquity" that is supposed to be perfect (such as God of the Bible) must have been made up itself.
Certainly, at least, God can't be both the creator and the perfect, ultimate being.
I think that is a simple and logical argument. If it can't lead to a discussion, I would say that means it's accepted and nobody believes in God anymore!
Can we run with it or would you like me to change the original post again? No worries.

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