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Kalam Cosmological argument

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ramoss
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07-16-2006 4:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 6 by Hyroglyphx
07-16-2006 1:33 PM

Re: Incomplete
One big problem with the first premise is right off the bat. It assume that everything has a cause. There are strong indications in QM that not everything has a cause.
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So, if that is the case, then the premise is incorrect.
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The second problem is that the 'Creator' is uncaused violates the first premises's that everything has a cause. That makes it a 'special pleading', and therefore as a piece of pure logic invalidates itself.
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07-16-2006 4:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 10 by Hyroglyphx
07-16-2006 2:37 PM

Re: Incomplete
THink of time as the north pole. THink of traveling backwards to time as traveling to the north pole. Once you get to the north pole, which way is north?
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07-17-2006 3:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
07-17-2006 1:16 PM

Re: Incomplete
What? Everything in the physical universe happens because something else caused it. In fact, name me one thing in the physical universe that happens or exists apart from cause.
Generation of virtual particles. Radioactive decay.
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