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Author Topic:   Radical Clerics, Christian Morals, and Homosexuality
NoNukes
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Message 38 of 153 (697131)
04-21-2013 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Phat
04-21-2013 2:28 PM


Re: Another Christian Viewpoint
all homosexuals should be allowed to get married.
How $%%$ kind of you.
Homosexuals are already are allowed to get married. Every adult can marry whichever they want. What we need is the state to stop treating people who love each other as is they were criminals who can be denied basic rights that you and I never even question.
Because it is that denial of rights, and not your approval or disapproval that is important. Gay marriage isn't something you have to agree with or to compromise about. It's something for you to butt out of.
Do you have any gay family members? Is your relationship with them really one long proselytizing session or do you compromise your values. Are those family members really equivalent to drunks and junkies in need of intervention?
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 70 of 153 (697219)
04-22-2013 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Faith
04-22-2013 1:33 AM


Re: Gay marriage will bring God's judgment
If the culture forces churches to perform gay marriages, we'll just have to go to jail or whatever penalty is coming down the pike against Christians
Seriously, Faith
A few Churches still refuse to perform interracial marriages. Many pastors will refuse to perform marriage if they get the hint that the couples involved haven't thought things through. What makes you think that there will be legal penalties for refusing to perform same sex marriages?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 72 of 153 (697221)
04-22-2013 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Phat
04-22-2013 8:34 AM


Re: Another Christian Viewpoint
To desire a communion with only one person is selfish and irresponsible to the community.
So no one should be monogamous let alone married? I have to admit, such sentiment is a great defense against being called a bigot.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 100 of 153 (697307)
04-23-2013 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
04-23-2013 11:36 AM


Re: Versions Of Christianity
So what does it mean to love? Does perfect love include boundless tolerance? If my teenager is in church and is making out with his girlfriend in the back pew, am i to giggle and turn the other way?
What does tolerance mean, and what behavior is intolerance? You are the teenager's parent and are responsible for the teen. So for you, ignoring the making out is some kind of endorsement. Further, the behavior in church is church business, so if the usher interferes, he is not showing intolerance either.
But failing to persecute random people that aren't in your house or who aren't your kids is not any kind of endorsement or tolerance of their behavior. Not yelling 'God hates gays' isn't tolerance of gays, it's simply behaving as if you had been brought up somewhere other than a cave. You might even argue that such non-actions are required by Jesus example from John 8:7. (Unless you are using the conservapedia Bible.)

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 139 of 153 (697807)
04-30-2013 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by jar
04-30-2013 9:46 AM


Re: Reasons and Bigotry
No one hates a church for what it does to its congregation. People may rightly ridicule some behaviors but no church is significant enough to be worth of hate for its internal practices.
I respectfully disagree. People can rightly hate churches for things they do to their own congregations. I despise what Jim Jones did to his congregation. I don't find what he did merely ridiculous. I also don't find any trouble hating churches that kill children by convincing parents not to give their children medical treatment.
That stuff is not the least bit funny. Ridicule isn't they way reasonable people ought to respond to that kind of crap.
People have lots of superstitions and have emotional needs that churches can take advantage of for evil purposes. It's as reasonable to hate such churches as it is to hate any con man.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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