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Author Topic:   Radical Clerics, Christian Morals, and Homosexuality
onifre
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Message 40 of 153 (697137)
04-21-2013 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by Phat
04-21-2013 2:28 PM


Re: Another Christian Viewpoint
It is not bigoted, however, that they not be allowed to marry in the church.
It is very bigoted and your church should NOT be allowed to deny someone anything for reasons of sexuality any more than it isn't allowed to deny someone anything for reasons of race.
If a church is denying because of sexuality then that church is shit and anyone attending that church is probably around racists, bigots just as they are CLEARLY around homophobes. More than likely being one or all of those themselves since they are attending said church.
Fuck any church for doing that and the members that attend.
You cant say we are bigoted simply because we don't morally agree with gay marriage.
I would call you a racist if you don't agree morally with interracial marriage and you ARE a bigot if you don't morally agree with gay marriage. You religious scape goat does not negate your responsiblity to own your opinion.
The church needs to show love but should not be required to compromise on social behavior.
Would you say the same thing if the church was turning away mixed couples?
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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onifre
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Message 64 of 153 (697193)
04-22-2013 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
04-22-2013 9:25 AM


There is no argument. Discrimination is wrong, Phat
There is no argument, Oni One Way
Why would you take to argue for discrimination? Have you not learned anything about discrimination from the past history of America?
Attraction, like skin color, is inborn. Sexuality is a choice.
This is absurd! I can't believe in 2013 you still hold this opinion. Sexuality is not a choice. I didn't choose to be straight. I didn't choose to be attracted to women; I just am.
We are under no obligation to allow your social or ideological preferences redefine our club bylaws. You are not God.
God did NOT define your clubs by-laws. Men did. Your club once didn't allow interracial couples to get married, and now it does. Did God come down and re-write the rules? No. You realized you were being a bunch of racists and changed the rules yourselves.
Have you been smoking too much pot again? You may have overdid it on 4/20.
I stand by what I said. Any church discriminating on the basis of sexuality is a shit church and fuck anyone who attends that church. More than likely, it doesn't stop at the members just being bigots and homophobes - they're probably sprinkled in with a little racism too if they're already being discriminatory toward any one group.
Oh? Am I ordered to acknowledge your significant other in any greater capacity or homage than anyone else?
I don't know what you mean by this. All I'm saying is don't discriminate someone on the basis of their sexuality just as your church has made the shift of not discriminating on the basis of race.
The church can change, it has done it before. They just don't want to which makes them a shitty institution. As always. But they will change, eventually. Then hopefully no one else will feel different or like an outcast just because they were born the way they were born.
- Oni

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onifre
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From: Dark Side of the Moon
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Message 104 of 153 (697335)
04-23-2013 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Phat
04-22-2013 1:56 PM


Re: There is no argument. Discrimination is wrong, Phat
Sexual behavior is a choice.
This is nonsense. Outright homophobic retoric that you're trying to pass on as a fact.
I thought you were better than that.
The problem that you guys seem to be having is in confusing attraction and sexuality.
How do you separate the two?
I am attracted to women and have a biological need for sex.
How is this statement wrong?
In most cases it cannot.
In all cases it can not because there is nothing wrong that needs curing.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 143 of 153 (697849)
04-30-2013 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Phat
04-30-2013 8:56 AM


Re: Reasons and Bigotry
I am what political ideologists would call a moderate to far left Christian.
You're no where near the left, Phat - certainly not far left. Anyone calling you that has no clue as to what being left or right actually means. You might fall some where around moderate to right leaning from what I have gathered.
- Oni

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