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Author Topic:   Radical Clerics, Christian Morals, and Homosexuality
Tal
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Message 1 of 153 (234525)
08-18-2005 1:51 PM


This is an off-shoot of Focus on the family keeping your kid from being gay thread. In that thread, James Dobsin is said by a poster to be a "radical cleric," insinuating that he is in the same boat as radical muslim clerics. I disagree.
What is a radical muslim cleric? That is simple. It is one who preaches violence against non-believers. That is what makes it hate speach.
What do most christain leaders preach about homosexuality? They preach that all men/women are sinners, and are all in need of a savior. Jesus died to pay for their sins, nomatter what those sins are. There is an emphasis on homosexuality, because that is where Satan is pressing the attack on our culture.
What do christains do about homosexuality? We do the same thing with homosexuals that we do with everyone else. If they come to church or a function, we preach the bible and God convicts them. We love them and help them just like anyone else.
Are there idiots in the world? Sure. If anyone says, "Hey, lets kill gay people," I will be the first to label them as radical fundamentalists.

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Tal
Member (Idle past 5707 days)
Posts: 1140
From: Fort Bragg, NC
Joined: 12-29-2004


Message 4 of 153 (234560)
08-18-2005 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by jar
08-18-2005 2:33 PM


Re: First, a compliment
The origin of the Biblical proscription on homosexuality is in the same set of laws that Paul fought to have overturned.
How about Corinthians and Romans?
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God
Romans 1:27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Looks pretty cut and dry there.
Paul was anxious to expand the church and so he willingly took the stand that Laws such as circumcision, dietary restrictions and dress should be set aside as null and void.
Cite verses please. Is homosexuality stated as a law he wanted null and voided?
But regardless of whether or not homosexuality is considered a sin or not, the current social contract needs to be changed.
What does this have to do with extremist clerics?

"War is an ugly thing but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feelings which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." John Stuart Mill

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