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Author Topic:   Radical Clerics, Christian Morals, and Homosexuality
Silent H
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Message 21 of 153 (234617)
08-18-2005 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tal
08-18-2005 1:51 PM


What is a radical muslim cleric? That is simple. It is one who preaches violence against non-believers. That is what makes it hate speach.
This is sort of just definitional choices. Thus you are not objectively wrong, though I might suggest an improved (more accurate) definition. Perhaps adding violent or militant to that label, would allow us to separate those that are for changing society, even by strong measures, from those willing to include violent force.
What do christains do about homosexuality? We do the same thing with homosexuals that we do with everyone else.
But this is not true at all, at least not the "radical" Xians. If a shellfish store operator or a fortune teller come to Xians for business licenses or marriage licenses, indeed even people of nonXian faith coming to get marriage licenses, get them. Xians fight tooth and nail to not allow gays to get the ability to have that license, as they once fought interracial couples from getting them.
They also kill gays, and nonwhite races, and bomb or otherwise kill people at abortion clinics. The largest terror attack (deathwise) until 9/11 was at the hands of a Xian terrorist, who targeted the US govt. Militant Xian terrorist militias killed 100s to thousands of muslims (Palestinians and Bosnians). And certainly the IRA are Xian terrorists who have killed people.
The ones that are most nonviolent call for the govt to crack down on people they don't like (esp. gays), which is merely shifting the hand of violence to that of the state, because they have the power to do so.
I do agree that militant islamic fundamentalism is a serious problem, and a bigger threat (right now) than Xian militant fundamentalism to national security. That does not however mean there is NO threat from Xian militants, nor attempts to change our govt to a repressive religious institution ala the Taliban, but from a Xian perspective.
We should not be taking our eye off the ball of protecting freedom and democracy from all enemies, foreign and domestic. There are Xians and Jews in there as well as muslims.
Dobson has a right to preach what he does, but he is intolerant and attempting to change the nation away from freedom and democracy. He is to my mind an enemy, and a radical. He certainly has followers who might take things farther. And who knows, after the islamic militant thing gets worked out, perhaps Xian militancy will be our next biggest threat.

holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

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