Immigration Bill is Un-American

This is like saying if there is no alcohol men would stop getting drunk and do all the immoral stuff. But you see, prohibition never worked.As long as there are illegals around offering rediculously cheap labor (and I'm not saying this as a put down), there will always be employers willing to do just about anything and find loopholes to hire them. While I agree with your proposed program, I don't agree that it is a realistic proposal. There are simply too many capitalists and opportunists nowadays for this idea to even get read. If someone like Bush got in the oval office for 8 years, how the hell do you think you can convince the very people that voted him in to agree to your program?

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Let me give you an example of what I meant in my last post.Governor Blagoavich (I'm too lazy to google his name for correct spelling) of Illinois last year proposed a change in the Illinois tax system. You see, for decades the biggest corporations in Illinois have been able to get away with not paying any taxes at all because of a loophole they found. I don't fully understand it myself, but if a company makes more than such and such amount in profit, say $5 million, it doesn't have to pay taxes at all.Gov Blag wants to change that. He wants to close this loophole. He's been going around repeating himself that there will be no tax increase for any business whatsoever. There will be no tax increase for landowners whatsoever. There will be no tax increase for imports and outports whatsoever. There will be no sales tax increase whatsoever. The only thing that will change is if a company makes more than $5 or so million in profit it has to pay taxes just like the rest of us. He has also been repeating himself that virtually all of the extra tax money will be used to upgrade the illinois education system. Aside from that, he has been repeating himself that he would oppose any income or property tax increase.People in Illinois are now overwhelmingly opposed to this tax change with the slogan that "this is the biggest tax increase in the history of illinois".I've been listening to interviews after interviews of republicans that are opposed to this tax change. Even though the reporters have been repeatedly asking the republicans the specific reasons for the opposition to this tax change, I have literally not heard anything from them except "this is the biggest tax increase in the history of illinois".As a matter of fact, I predict that Gov Bla committed political suicide the moment he proposed this budget change.So tell me, how are you going to prevent the religious right from using strawman and such to pound your position?

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Aside from the legal/illegal question, there is another side to this issue.We can look at this as a question of fairness. There are many people in the world who are waiting in very long lines to get into this country legally. I know a Vietnamese family that applied and waited for the application to go through for 8 years. When they were finally cleared, they had to go to Thailand and stay in a camp for another 2 years before being cleared to come here. They have told me that they have relatives that have been stuck in one of these camps in the Phillipines since the 80's... and they're still there.But if you live in Mexico, you automatically can jump ahead in line?

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Yes and no. Yes, it's suppose to do that. No, Mexicans are right next door as oppose to people living thousands of miles away across the biggest ocean on Earth. That's the problem. Nobody is detaining the family. They were cleared by the Vietnamese government to leave the country. What they needed was approval from the American side. Ideally, they were suppose to stay in the camp in the Philipines for no more than a couple years. But because of our wonderful (sarcasm) immigration system, their files are still sitting somewhere waiting for someone to sign his name. So, there they sit for more than 2 decades already.So right now, technically they don't belong to any nation at all. They just sit there waiting for someone to sign the fucking paperworks in D.C. By the way, because they're not citizens of the Philipines, they can't legally work. And unlike Mexican illegal immigrants in the US, they can't just slip away from the camp and disappear into the population because they are still hoping that their files will one day be cleared by some bastard in Washington. In other words, they are living in extreme poverty, purely at the mercy of the locals. No, but from what I've read, you seem to be supporting us legalizing the illegals. I'm just pointing out that there are plenty of people in this world who are willing to wait for decades for some bastard in Washington to at least take a look at their files. Perhaps we should give them a chance first before worrying about the millions and millions of those that simply jumped ahead in line just because they live right next door?P.S. - I've been labeled a racist for having this opinion.

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Um... uh... I'm a guy...

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Ok, I don't have any sense of humor, nor do I have any sense of metaphorical bullshit, nor do I hvae any sense of... whatever...Mind explaining the Adam Sandler part?

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{Edited - Off topic}Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given.

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From your article, I find the following interesting.

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The pope has suggested the addition of mostly-Muslim Turkey to the EU would be a mistake, while right-wing politicians have gained traction by reminding voters of the dangers posed by homegrown Islamic terrorism.

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Says the guy who lives in Texas

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Actually, it COULD work. Instead of a fence, we build a 15 foot wall from coast to coast on the mexican-american border. It will be the great wall of north america. Beside that, we'll need 24 hr surveillence that are equipped with low air radar and underground motion censors. All, and I mean all, people who want to go through this border should be strip searched on the spot. Anyone caught trying to climb the wall should be shot on sight. There also need to e land mines put in strategic places. Chemical weapons should always be ready to be used in case of mass immigration.This will literally cost billions and billions of dollars just to maintain. If the american people really want to see such a barrier put in place, I think this is the best idea.But a regular fence? Puhlease. A 5 year old can climb a fence.

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You're joking, right?

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Oh come on, Ned. Most Americans don't even know that we got most of the southwest and California (that's over a third of this country) from Mexico through conquest and brute force. Won't you let us live in our blissful ignorance?Added by edit.The two times that we tried to invade Canada should be warning enough for you. Even though you kicked our asses both times, third time as a charm! Don't forget that we can cross Niagra Falls anytime now and kick your asses. Then, we can make words like oui and moi illegal... like the way the french made the word email illegal.Edited by Tazmanian Devil, : No reason given.

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