Immigration Bill is Un-American

What history? Did the Italians and Irish raise engineers and doctors? How about the Japanese or Chinese?The only thing foolish is to presume Hispanics are somehow inferior to other ethnic groups.

You said that history shows that immigrants don't create many engineers or doctors. I say they produce around as many as anyone else, so I call bullshit.BTW, unless you are a full-blooded Native American, you or your ancestors are immigrants. Edited by anglagard, : include original quote

If anyone would like to minimize, or even end, illegal immigration the solution is quite simple. Instead of sitting on your ass stuffing your face with Doritos, go out there and start harvesting vegetables, mow lawns, clean motels, and mix chop suey. Get your kids involved too! If there is no money, there will be no immigrants.If you are not doing this, and are instead just loafing and collecting the benefits from the fruits of their labors, then stop whining.

While I have some sympathy as to some of the issues you brought up, I am puzzled by your exact stance to some degree on some other areas. Please feel free to elaborate. I don't see how the present immigration situation has bankrupted the middle class, if anything coddling the rich with tax breaks, the complete surrender to the goal of the pharmaceutical company profits and mismanaging unnecessary wars is a far greater threat IMO.I am also puzzled by the idea that the country would be split between two cultures. I have lived all but the three years that I was in the army near the US-Mexican border and we have a culture, commonly referred to as border culture. How would that culture be split and how are things that different in Houston? Barriers can be punctured, so I'm not sure a Berlin Wall or Iron Curtain is a complete and perfect solution. Too bad some of that Iraq money can't be spent on the economic development of a neighboring nation, I think it would pay more dividends in the long run. Not that I have any great objection but you may run into some conservative opposition on that one, 'mark of the beast' and all. An often overlooked solution that is usually more responsible than just passing more new laws. Not unreasonable on the surface, except that illegals would then not seek treatment for serious communicable diseases for fear of being deported. Why bother, if left alone English will eventually become the world language since given enough time, it absorbs all it contacts. Besides, is it that big a deal if someone speaks more than one language, seems to me it would make them more educated and less provincial. I don't know. If citizenship is not automatically granted to those born here could that later be used against other parts of the populace to make them stateless and therefore subject to denial of basic human rights or torture under current administration practices? I must agree that legal immigrants should be given preference under all circumstances.Obviously if there were no jobs, there would be no illegals. Either that or the fruit rots in the fields driving up prices since there is not enough labor available to do the job at current cost to the farmer. Would you object to a guest worker program? At least there would be more oversight than the current situation.

Somehow I doubt that Clinton personally built any 90 mile wall, I think he must have had help from Congress. Now there is supposed to be a 700 mile wall. Perhaps it is time to build bridges instead of walls, seeing how it would be cheaper and all.What this means is that the money spent for a wall would be better spent improving the economy of the border so that the supply/demand equation is addressed. You seem to want to lose the 'war' on illegal immigration the same way that one wants to lose the 'war' on drugs. It seems irrational that any discussion refuses to address demand. Exactly what it is doing now, people doing jobs that snooty Americans are too good to do. The only borders anywhere as long as the US border with either Canada or Mexico are those of Russia or China. Are you suggesting we imitate their tactics and make such immigration less desirable by offering bullets instead of bread? Actually if the people here insist on continuing to elect politicians who support torture, disrespect the Constitution, attack science and technology to 'mollify' the religious fanatics and impoverish the future of their own children, it may be Canada that has to erect a wall to prevent a mass exodus from this nation. Yes it does, that's why there should be a compromise between the need for work and the source of workers. It would be better to create a system by which such need and supply may be matched to the obvious needs of both sides rather than the continuous posturing of politicians.As I have said before, if this nation wants to stop illegal immigration they have two options, either create a legal route to address the supply/demand problem or all the rednecks can get off their fat ass and pick the fruit, clean the toilets, and roof the houses. There are plenty of jobs here, oil and windmills, we have trouble getting students to go to college because the money is so good outside. So I somewhat repeat, stop whining and start working or learning. Well, I guess all the confederates who so loved this nation they revolted against it could all go on some moral crusade to conquer Mexico as they have chosen to in Iraq.Or would it be like everyone who tried to conquer China, they got absorbed? As for me rock and roll, I like real Mexican food, Catholics, brunettes, and the Spanish language. Also, no death penalty . Maybe the US would be improved by such an invasion (as it already has in both directions). Have her pick fruit? What like children or retirees? Do you have some kind of ethical code from Sparta or Nietzsche? I agree completely. So I hope in 2008 you vote for solutions instead of the typical 'playing of the race card.'

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

Obviously you missed the point, despite any 'red hot' desire to make the president the emperor on the part of so-called conservatives, there is always Congress. All bills spending money must originate in the House of Representatives, therefore any wall had to be funded by their consent. Please allow me to elaborate upon what RAZD has pointed out, perhaps too subtly. On the southern border of the US there is a river called the Rio Grande that goes from one end of Texas to the other, from El Paso to Brownsville. This river is approximately half the border between the US and Mexico. On the other side of the US there are things called the 'great lakes' that make up around a third of the northern border of the lower 48 states with Canada. Should we continue this discussion of geography? Personally, I would find it embarrassing, but then again I'm not you. In the words of the most illustrious Carlos Mencia "Duh Duh Duh." When the so called 'minutemen' reduced the number of illegal immigrants to Arizona, half the produce rotted in the field. But I guess that some adherents of the idea of Christian charity think it best to feed the insects and let the people with an inappropriate melanin content go hungry. You said it, I didn't. Evidently this is your position, it is not mine. Yes, my suggestion is to create a method by which illegal immigrants can be legalized, so that the work gets done and no one is taken advantage of. Are you familiar with the works and words of Cesar Chavez? If not, you should be. He is a lot closer to the Christian ideal as preached by Jesus as opposed to the hate speech of Buchanan, Hannity or O'Reilly. First off, I call bullshit. There are $20+ per hour jobs right here right now. Why would any citizen work for minimum wage in backbreaking labor? Taking 'our jobs' Second, you are the one arguing that illegal immigrants can somehow be stopped by a combination of a modern 'iron curtain' and a militarization of the border while I am arguing that the US should use some of that money wasted on Cheney and Halliburton to improve the conditions of a directly bordering nation.The burden is upon you, not me, to pick the fruit as you are the one who apparently despises illegal immigrants. Also I figure you would be better at it having already shown you know how to palm the pea Thank God Indeed, the old 'America, love it or leave it" argument. Let me make this simple enough for all to understand, including you. I believe in the Constitution of the United States of America and as a veteran and patriot I will defend it against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Are you in disagreement with me?Excuse me, I have to take a hundred breaths

OK, I took my hundred breaths.So, NJ, what is your solution to illegal immigration?