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jar
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Message 8 of 115 (405531)
06-13-2007 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by RAZD
06-13-2007 11:27 AM


Expand it once more
While we are expanding the program to include those citizens convicted of minor crimes, let's change the sentencing practices from time served to goal directed.
When someone is convicted of a minor crime, instead of sentencing them to some arbitrary time period, make the sentence run until some specified goal is accomplished.
For example, it could be the acquisition of a GED or College degree, learning some designated skill that could be translated into workforce skill after release, or some form of reparation such as replacement of objects lost or damaged because of the criminal incident or creation of some new facility that improves the general welfare of the community.

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jar
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Message 44 of 115 (406471)
06-20-2007 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by DorfMan
06-19-2007 11:39 AM


Re: Woe is not us alone
The Christian knows there is no other way to heaven/God but through Christ.
While some Christians might think that, what possible relevance does that have to the thread anyway?

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jar
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Message 52 of 115 (407885)
06-29-2007 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by ThingsChange
06-28-2007 11:58 PM


Re: border, language, culture
Don't tell me the illegals are pristine candidates for citizenship.
Don't tell me all native born are pristine candidates for citizenship.
Crime is actually one of the weakest excuses possible. The last thing an illegal alien wants is a run in with the law. That is a quick way to bring them to the attention of Immigration.
If fences don't work, then why have them around prisons and the White House?
Fences around small enclosures can help. The US, in case you haven't noticed, is not that small.

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jar
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Message 62 of 115 (407939)
06-29-2007 11:16 AM
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06-29-2007 8:58 AM


on criminals
False. Many criminals come here to practice their lazy way of obtaining easy money and are aided by lack of enforcement and catch-and-release type of practices.
Oh come on. You do have supporting evidence to show that? You have evidence that illegal foreign criminals are lazier than native born criminals?

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Message 67 of 115 (408066)
06-30-2007 10:27 AM
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06-30-2007 12:25 AM


Re: on criminals
You miss the point. Please read what I wrote, what you even quoted.
You have evidence that illegal foreign criminals are lazier than native born criminals?

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Message 68 of 115 (408068)
06-30-2007 10:30 AM
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06-30-2007 12:38 AM


Re: Quebec as example of division, not unity
My point was about the outcome (i.e. different language and culture leads to wish for independence), and not who got there first.
Sorry but the British Colonists who spoke the same language and shared the same culture as the folk back in Merry Olde England wished for independence.
Second, what is wrong with folk wanting Independence?

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jar
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Message 110 of 115 (415024)
08-07-2007 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Hyroglyphx
08-07-2007 5:19 PM


The problem is NJ keeps repeating falsehoods
The problem begins when mass migrants come in to the country, neglect to pay the taxes required, swamp the job market, come in unchecked in the event they are felons, etc.
How is a citizen neglecting to pay taxes different from an illegal alien neglecting to pay taxes?
Have you forgotten when you were shown that illegal aliens pay taxes, in fact pay the very taxes that support the infrastructure that they use?
Every time they buy a soda they pay sales taxes that fund state, city and county governments, when they pay rent the rent goes to pay property taxes that fund schools, when they buy gas they pay fuel taxes that fund roads and bridges.
How is an illegal alien felon different than a citizen felon?
Don't you ever get tired of repeating falsehoods, particularly those that have been refuted time after time?

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jar
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Message 112 of 115 (415031)
08-07-2007 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by macaroniandcheese
08-07-2007 7:34 PM


Re: The problem is NJ keeps repeating falsehoods
Yup. Yet NJ and others keep repeating the same old canards as though they have never been refuted.

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