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Message 131 of 205 (241963)
09-09-2005 6:53 PM

Reply to: Message 130 by arachnophilia
09-09-2005 6:40 PM

Re: it's not all bad afterall

It's good to know that Fox News has reported that things aren't that bad. Fatalities in New Orleans may not be the 10,000 possible.

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Message 135 of 205 (242094)
09-10-2005 2:04 PM

Reply to: Message 134 by Silent H
09-10-2005 4:18 AM

For those who say FEMA did all it could ...

here is a link to the Hurricane Pam exercise conducted by FEMA. Please note the date on the press release.

We could have and should have been ready.

AbE:

More news.

Michael Brown writes:

FEMA Region VI Director, Ron Castleman, and Louisiana’s Emergency Preparedness Department Deputy Director, Col. Michael Brown were quoted as seeing good progress in preparedness.

Date:Sunday, July 25, 2004

source:Fema.gov

So Michael Brown was aware of the problem AND of what would have been needed as well as specifics of the resources available. In addition, this was one of his specific areas of responsibility.

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Message 137 of 205 (242096)
09-10-2005 2:19 PM

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09-10-2005 2:14 PM

Re: For those who say FEMA did all it could ...

I'm furious.

AbE: More info.

A more recent but pre-Katrina summary of what was found.

From LSU

This indicates that it was not just a report filed away but actually was circulated. Please look over some of the predicted aftermath.

One important result of the exercise was the understanding among agencies at all levels of the seriousness of such an event. “A White House staffer was briefed on the exercise,” said van Heerden. “There is now a far greater awareness in the federal government about the consequences of storm surges.”

So there is a direct connection to the White House.

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Message 138 of 205 (242100)
09-10-2005 2:41 PM

And to involve Homeland Security.

Please read this year old report from The Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness.

In Case of Emergency

Brownie writes:

"It's going to be situation-dependent on the ground available after such a catastrophic storm," he said. "The bottom line is that a lot of people are going to be inconvenienced."

Inconvenienced my Ass.

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Message 139 of 205 (242103)
09-10-2005 2:52 PM

"Hurricane Zebra"

And here is the 2000 simulation.

Report on Hurricane Zebra

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Message 159 of 205 (242898)
09-13-2005 10:26 AM

Reply to: Message 157 by Monk
09-13-2005 10:14 AM

Re: LB, Monk, Tal, and other Bush defenders

Would you agree that at least since the 2000 study, the results of a Cat 4 or Cat 5 Hurricane making landfall on or just to the east of New Orleans should have been clear to Federal Emergency folk?

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Message 162 of 205 (242923)
09-13-2005 11:11 AM

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09-13-2005 10:43 AM

Re: LB, Monk, Tal, and other Bush defenders

I have not said that it should be top priority.

But let's look at the two examples given so far; Major hurricane striking major metropolitan area.

In either case, the planning would be the same. There would be:

need to evacuate people including many who rely on public transportation.
knowledge of the location and specific needs for critical care individuals.
housing for an indefinite period of time.
alternate routing to get repair and rescue personell and equipment into the affected areas.
supplies.
public advisories and public service announcements.
alternative communication equipment.
the knowledge of resurces that could be employed and plans to activate those resources.

All of these could be done in advance and would be general in nature. If you have a list of military base housing that could be used, it does not matter if the refugees are coming from Houston, New Orleans, LA or Mobile.

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