Help Lizard Breath Save Bush from Hurricane Katrina

How can they get away with this spin? Man, this administration can feed the public the biggest, most obvious, lines of bullshit and everyone buys it. Remember WMD?Now they are gonna try and wipe our memories of dozens of local officials litteraly begging the federal govt. to come to NO. Both before and after the chaos.Ugh... it makes me sick that I can live in a country full of such hypocritical, money-mongering, snakes and liers!

I don't think he does.ABE: What has he done for the black community lately?This message has been edited by Yaro, 09-07-2005 09:42 AM

I like your new Av. Tal. Much better than the old one.

This was predicted 8 years ago! the question is, why wasn't there a plan?Further, as recently as last year, Cuba accomplished such a task. Are we not better equiped than Cuba? FEMA didn't need a crystal ball, it had been predicted 8 years prior! An award winning series of articles written in 2002 described just such an event in detail! Computer simulations had been done and FEMA was well aware of the potential disaster. BUT THERE WAS NO PLAN IN PLACE!Remember, the govt. was presented with a document specifying the 3 major disasters likely to hit the country. Among the top 3 was a Cat 5 hitting NO and busting the Levys.How do you feel about these facts?

arach,your being a bit too harsh!I mean, bush was nice enugh to take a whole 2 days off from his 5 weak vacation! I mean, seriously, he's a busy man. We can't bother him with trifeling matters.

The pendulum will swing the other way and you guys will be pissing and moaning just like ya were the last 8 years.

Ya know Tal, not everyone has opertunities. Many of the people holding out in NO are poor individuals, who are clinging on to possesions they have worked their whole lives for. Namely their houses.It looks to me that you 'right-wing' folks aren't doing much better, seeing as how your philosophy seems to be "cut education AND wellfare". What do you think is gonna cause more crime and poverty?The problem with you folks is that you think in absolutes.

There it is! See, I hear this crap all the damn time.1) Who WANTS to be on wellfare?2) What are the statistics concerning the 'leeches' and how are 'leeches' identified?

First, I doubt HIGHLY that women have kids for the money! I hear this crap spewd all the damn time and yet I have not seen any statistics that people are actively going out and getting pregnant to boost their pay-check.Further, maybe if we had BETTER EDUCATION and actually taught SAFE SEX, we would have less people getting pregnant out of wedlock and more people getting good jobs.But that's not the soluttion of you right-wing folks, oh no. It's blame the victim, take away their opertunities, get rid of their schools and medicin, and turn them out on the streets. That sounds like a wonderfull solution! That won't breed more people driven to crime and poverty. Perhapse this is the case, but how is getting rid of their outlets for education, medicin, and money gonna solve any of that?

Bullshit, we are humans, we like sex, it's part of our nature. You ain't gonna make anyone stop having it. It's about promoting condoms.We can start a new thread about the innane 'Abstinance Only Program'. We are talking about the role of poverty and social wellfare enlight of the katrina disaster.In which case you answer my question with: Ah, so you know them personaly? Further, how is your hometown representative of the poor in the greater USA?See what I mean about narrowminded absolutism? You 'right-wing' people can never seem to think beyond your own experience. I actually agree with you to some extent. The amount of people on wellfare is out of hand, it's a shame. But the sollution is not to put them out on the street and cut their aid, it's to follow-up wellfare with an actual road out of it.I mean, they get on wellfare cuz their poor and uneducated, so now they got some money to get themselves stable. But guess what? no decent schools, not enugh money, no medical care, etc. etc. Just gets them deeper into the hole.The wellfare system should provide a ladder out. But it seems to me that the people surviving that way can see no way out.

Bullshit. Education is the key to creating rational individuals who will make apropriate decisions. None the less, even by your own logic the abstinance programs are compleate a faliur. There IS legitimacy to sex out of weddlock. If it's done by consenting individuals who understand what is going on and take the proper precautions. If a child is raised correctly they can have a healthy, responsible, attitude about sex even if it is 'pre-marital' No it hasn't. Thats idiotic. do you have any proof? Because all I have seen is data to the contrary.OPEN A NEW THREAD ABOUT SEX EDUCATION TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSION PLEASE

Off topic. We can discuss this further in another thread.

That's you, now back to the rest of humanity. Yes, and that answers my question how? I wanna see the fugures showing the giant mass of evil poor women "popping out babies" to boost their paychecks. I don't agree that government is the solution for all problems, but govt. certainly has responsibility when it comes to the wellfare of it's citizens. Some social wellfare is not bad. Ya, I can see this being the case with some people. But again, people are trapped by what they know/see around them. If they don't have anyone urging them to succeed, or providing a clear road map for them, what's to keep them from repeating the mistakes of those who raised them?I don't think it's that "they don't want to shake things up", it seems to me it's more of a case of nowhere to go. I mean, who is going to set the example and who is educating them on how to improve their sittuation? Someone has to. I think this is the faliur of wellfare.

Hehe, sometimes I think that's the case Seriously, not everyone shares the same views on sex. Some people are legitemetly curious and want to try it. It's not necisseraly a bad thing either, I don't belive that the only "good" sex is within marriage.Anyway, for those people who choose to try sex, the proper attitude tward it should be emphasized. Namely, respect, mutual concent, and proper protection.I think making people feel guilty about their desires and imploring them to curb or fear them is wrong. By all means no one is encuraging the promotion of promiscuitey, however telling kids to run the other way from sex all together is just as inapropriate IMHO.

I have opened a Sex Ed. Thread to re-rout the Sex Education stuff.http://EvC Forum: Sex Education -->EvC Forum: Sex Education